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Old 03-15-2012, 02:38 PM   #11
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Well i was aiming for below a FG of 1.020, so OG of around 1.075??

Anyway, it looks like my understanding of bittering and hopping beers is all off.. Maybe the measurements in hopville have thrown me off? I was still after some explanation of how people are giving these 150+ IBU ratings by using less hops with lower AA and more grains??

I will stick to Yoopers hop bill with 1.5 at the start (so i use the whole pack of summit ;0) )

boil 60 mins 1.5 Summit
boil 20 mins 1.0 Cascade
boil 15 mins 1.0 Northdown
boil 5 mins 1.0 northdown
boil 1 min 1.0 Cascade
boil 0 min 1.0 Summit
dry hop 7 days 0.5 Cascade leaf 5.5
dry hop 7 days 0.5 Northdown leaf 8.5
dry hop 7 days 1.0 Summit leaf 17.5

http://hopville.com/recipe/1211812/h...eam-double-ipa

Is 52 IBUs really enough??
It depends on what your OG is. If your OG is going to be 1.095, then no, 52 IBUs isn't quite enough. You could use 2 ounces of summit at 60 minutes then. But your post is saying an OG of 1.075 or so (which is better). I'd lower the corn sugar by two pounds and keep the hopping the same. Three pounds of sugar is WAY too much.

Also, I see you have campden tablets and table salt in the boil. I assume the campden is actually for before the boil, to remove chloramines, but why the table salt? Can you just leave that out?
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Old 03-15-2012, 04:22 PM   #12
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They are actually Buxton water salts. I've used them ever since ive started, just a bit of a habit.

Yooper, so comparing mine to the recipe that I linked

http://hopville.com/recipe/90727/imp...ail-double-ipa

Where am i going wrong? I'm obviously spending a lot on this brew so want to to go as right as it can. I just want to have a clear mind about IBUs and so on. Im very much a newbie!

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The longer you boil hops, the more bitterness you get. Boiling hops for 1 hour will produce a lot more bitterness than hops boiled for 30 minutes.

On the contrary, hops boiled for shorter times will produce less bitterness but more flavor. So you add hops at the beginning of the boil for bitterness but no flavor, and you add hops towards the end of the boil for more flavor and very little bitterness.

EDIT: Here's an example. If you boil 1 oz of Summit for 60 minutes, you will get almost no flavor or aroma but a lot of bitterness (IBU points). If you boil the same amount of summit for 30 minutes, you will get a little bitterness and a little flavor/aroma. If you boil the Summit for 5 minutes, you will get almost no bitterness (you will get some), but you will get a LOT of flavor and aroma.

Hoppiness isn't just about IBUs. You want to make sure you have a good amount of IBUs from the beginning, then figure out your late-boil additions for flavor/aroma.

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Old 03-15-2012, 04:52 PM   #14
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I understand that part but what permits you to get crazy on the hops for a double IPA?

The linked one used 3.5oz of hops for 60mins. He obviously got it right and won an award for it. So how is mine different from his if i (like him) add lots of late hops and get an IBU of around 150?

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I understand that part but what permits you to get crazy on the hops for a double IPA?

The linked one used 3.5oz of hops for 60mins. He obviously got it right and won an award for it. So how is mine different from his if i (like him) add lots of late hops and get an IBU of around 150?
Ah, sorry I misunderstood.

I'm still not following the question... Something to keep in mind is alpha acids. Summit versus something like Cascade will produce different amounts of bitterness. The higher the alpha acids, the higher the potential bitterness.
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Ah, sorry I misunderstood.

I'm still not following the question... Something to keep in mind is alpha acids. Summit versus something like Cascade will produce different amounts of bitterness. The higher the alpha acids, the higher the potential bitterness.
Thanks Max but i understand that too! What i don't understand is how i was over hopping my recipe, particularly in the early hopping section. I was doing this to get the IBUs up to something similar to other Double IPA recipes i have seen. But i am willing to put extra hops in to get the aroma/taste right.

So, i have a similar recipe to other ones but Yooper etc have warned me that my brews will be way too bitter. I just wanted to know why these other recipes work and mine doesn't.

Im confused!!
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Thanks Max but i understand that too! What i don't understand is how i was over hopping my recipe, particularly in the early hopping section. I was doing this to get the IBUs up to something similar to other Double IPA recipes i have seen. But i am willing to put extra hops in to get the aroma/taste right.

So, i have a similar recipe to other ones but Yooper etc have warned me that my brews will be way too bitter. I just wanted to know why these other recipes work and mine doesn't.

Im confused!!
Corn sugar has provides no flavor, but thins and dries out the beer. An all malt beer will be "heavier" and can support more bitterness, for one thing. More than about a pound or two of corn sugar is too much for that beer. Secondly, "more bitter" isn't usually a good thing and IBUs don't always tell the story. Like I said, you can't get more than 100 IBUs in solution anyway, so anything calculated higher is not possible. But the key is balance. A well balanced beer can "hold" more IBUs than one that isn't balanced well. I hope that makes sense!
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look at recipes and how their ibu% is split up (like a grain/malt bill). You'll see most (if not all) dont go real heavy on the 60-30 minute hop additions but more so the 20-0 and dry hop additions.

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OK guys, i think ive got it. Ill tread lightly with the hopping of this new brew.

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I've now brewed the recipe below. Fingers crossed!

http://hopville.com/recipe/1213380/i...ped-double-ipa

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