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Brewer_Steve 03-22-2009 01:00 PM

Mort Subite Framboise Lambic Clone ??
 
I finally found a beer that SWMBO likes.
The only beer she'll drink is Mort Subite Framboise.

Does anyone have a recipe for a clone of this beer?

Jewrican 03-22-2009 03:20 PM

my wife as well. subscribed

Shawn Hargreaves 03-22-2009 08:06 PM

Lambics are one of the most complex styles to brew. They use a complex mix of different microorganisms (the blended lambic cultures you can get from White Labs or Wyeast are a good start) and take many years to mature.

If you're interested in this style, I highly recommend reading "Wild Brews" by Jeff Sparrow.

This article is a decent introduction: Brew Your Own: The How-To Homebrew Beer Magazine - Beer Styles - Lambic Brewing

If you don't want to wait 2+ years, you could try making an American style wheat beer, adding a ton of raspberries and some lactic acid, then back-sweetening with splenda. That won't taste anything like a lambic, but the combination of fruit+sour+sweetness might be close enough for your wife.

Brewer_Steve 03-22-2009 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawn Hargreaves (Post 1212779)
If you don't want to wait 2+ years, you could try making an American style wheat beer, adding a ton of raspberries and some lactic acid, then back-sweetening with splenda. That won't taste anything like a lambic, but the combination of fruit+sour+sweetness might be close enough for your wife.

I think I'll do both.
I'll start a raspberry lambic and wait a couple years for it. If I screw it up, oh well, lessons will be learned. In the meantime I'll try a wheat beer with raspberries.

Any recipes??

cuinrearview 03-23-2009 02:23 AM

Just like the women to pick one of the most difficult styles to brew. When SWMBO is looking for a beer I make her help me prepare fruit for a simple wheat beer as it goes into secondary. Some have been good and some have been O.K., but when she takes bottles to co-workers of "her" beer and drinks it at home all is well on the beer brewing hobby front. Much quicker gratification so that your stops to LHBS are easier to swallow.

I must disclose that my wife is a laboratory scientist at a hospital so lactobacillus and the like turn her stomach. :D

Shawn Hargreaves 03-23-2009 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Brewer_Steve (Post 1212932)
I think I'll do both.
In the meantime I'll try a wheat beer with raspberries.

Any recipes??

Extract or grain?

The main thing is to make a clean base beer with low bitterness and no hop flavor/aroma. I'd start with something like:

4 or 5 lb wheat DME (depending on how alcoholic you want the end result)
1 oz Saaz @60 mins
Clean ale yeast (eg. WLP001)

That'll give you around 15 IBU. You want to undershoot on the OG, because you'll get more alcohol later when you add the fruit.

Wait until primary fermentation has subsided (a week or two) then rack into secondary, and add 5 lb of raspberries. It's a good idea to use frozen ones, as freezing breaks down the cell walls which makes them easier to ferment.

This will kick off a secondary fermentation. Once that is done, bottle or keg as usual. You'll get some sourness from the fruit: if this isn't enough for your taste, you can add food grade lactic acid at this point.

Mr. Nice Guy 03-23-2009 06:53 PM

...or you could make a pLambic (psuedo-lambic) with the above recipe by souring your malt over a day or two, boiling to kill off the lacto, then proceeding as normal. Check out the wild/lambic forum for tips on this technique.

Brewer_Steve 03-27-2009 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawn Hargreaves (Post 1214159)
Extract or grain?


Grain. Thanks. I'll try a wheat beer with raspberries. I had no idea that Lambics were so complex.


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