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Old 09-18-2013, 12:38 AM   #11
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All,

Thank you for your responses...particularly since I was not really clear on what I was looking for. Your comments have been very helpful. And have given me much to ponder.

Aiptasia - I appreciate the education. I will definitely try some of the brews you suggest. Afterall, who doesn't love an excuse to drink beer. I could even argue this is market research

Steelbadgers89 - Noble hops are my favorite along side Fuggles and Willamette right now. So I appreciate the suggestion.

Ronpopeil - How did you know I was struggling with an amber reciepe. You had my mouth watering. I will definitely take you suggested receipe into consideration.

Grathan - Thanks for the suggested recipes. I will look into them further. Also, I appreciate that hop flavor and bitterness are different things and your note about the influence of OG/FG on the effect of hop additions.

Bottom line = need to experiment and drink more

I'll try and post the results of my experimentation here.

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Old 09-18-2013, 12:56 AM   #12
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OK, I have been inspired by Ronpopeil. I will put the following recipe into my rotation. I would appreciate thoughts on the yeast...an FG of 1.018 does not seem dry enough for the recommendation. I can let it sit a little longer and tend to overshoot my FG at 7 days in primary. I will keep everyone posted:

Cross Stream Amber
Style: American Amber Ale OG: 1.068
Type: All Grain FG: 1.018
Rating: 0.0 ABV: 6.55 %
Calories: 221.24 IBU's: 50.96
Efficiency: 75.00 % Boil Size: 8.23 Gals
Color: 17.0 SRM Batch Size: 6.50 Gals
Preboil OG: 1.060 Boil Time: 60 minutes
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Grains & Adjuncts
Amount Percentage Name Time Gravity
6.50 lbs 35.99 % Crisp Maris Otter 60 mins 1.038
6.50 lbs 35.99 % Pale Malt (2 Row) US 60 mins 1.036
3.00 lbs 16.61 % Victory Malt 60 mins 1.034
1.75 lbs 9.69 % Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L 60 mins 1.034
4.00 ozs 1.38 % Caramel/Crystal Malt - 80L 60 mins 1.034
1.00 ozs 0.35 % Briess Chocolate 60 mins 1.035

Hops
Amount IBU's Name Time AA %
1.00 ozs 24.41 Centennial 60 mins 10.00
0.35 ozs 7.72 Simcoe 25 mins 13.00
0.35 ozs 5.94 Centennial 25 mins 10.00
1.00 ozs 6.33 Simcoe 5 mins 13.00
1.00 ozs 4.87 Centennial 5 mins 10.00
0.25 ozs 1.70 Columbus (Tomahawk) 5 mins 14.00

Yeasts
Amount Name Laboratory / ID
1 act pkgs American Ale II Wyeast Labs 1272

Additions
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Mash Profile
Profile Name: All Grain Profile 1

Grain Temp: 70.00 °F Mash Tun Vol Loss: 0.75 Gals
Grain Absorption: 0.13 Gals/lb Tun Temp Loss: 4.50 °F
Cooling Shrinkage: 4.00 % Kettle Trub Loss: 0.75 Gals
Hourly Boiloff: 9.00 %

Mash Steps:
Infusion 75 min@150.0°F

Add 18.00 qts water @ 170.6°F
Mash Out 10 min@168.0°F

Add 8.84 qts water @ 212.0°F
Fly Sparge
Sparge 18.48 qts water @ 170.00 °F

Water Profile
(none)

Fermentation Steps
Name Days / Temp
Primary 7 days @ 64.0°F
Secondary 14 days @ 64.0°F
Bottle/Keg 14 days @ 72.0°F

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Old 09-18-2013, 02:34 AM   #13
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Originally Posted by Wyeast
With many of the best qualities that brewers look for when brewing American styles of beer, this strain’s performance is consistent and it makes great beer. This versatile strain is a very good choice for a “House” strain. Expect a soft, clean profile with hints of nut, and a slightly tart finish. Ferment at warmer temperatures to accentuate hop character with an increased fruitiness. Or, ferment cool for a clean, light citrus character. It attenuates well and is reliably flocculent, producing bright beer without filtration.
i've never used it or any wyeast products but it sounds good. temperature control wouldn't be a hassle because it sounds like it would go well either direction.
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Old 10-06-2013, 04:29 PM   #14
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Finally brewed the cross stream Amber as listed above. Did not hit my efficiency numbers. Came in at about 68% and had modeled 75%. So the OG was a lot lower than hoped 1.064 instead of projected 1.071. So, should be a lighter (in terms of malt) beer with a higher perceived bitterness from the hops. I really enjoyed he smell of the hops as I was adding them...except the Columbus which had a sort of darkness that was not completely unpleasant but not great either. I'll post some pics and tasting notes when it's all done.

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It's too late now, but I would have suggested something like Fat Tire, as a beginning entry into amber ales. American ambers can be pretty hoppy, but not bitter, and they have a lot of crystal/caramel malt to balance the hops. You may really like them.

I"m not wild about the recipe you just did- 16% victory malt is a lot, and while I love it, I typically use about .5 pound or even less in a 5 gallon batch. It's toasty, but it's also very drying on the finish. 50 IBUs is a lot for that recipe, and with the reduced efficiency it could be even more- so you may find the balance is not quite right (too bitter). But we'll see how it turns out in the end, as it's too late to change it now!

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Yooper - Thanks for the comments. Living here in Fort Collins I am very familiar with Fat Tire and like it well enough. Good news is I have several friends who really like hoppy ambers...so if it's not my thing it will find a home :-)

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Well I am looking to brew this recipe again with some modifications. I enjoyed it the first time around but it was a little out of balance. I did not hit my OG and the yeast did not attenuate as well as projected either. The end result was interesting but not exactly a balanced or bright beer. A bit muddled...I am going to take Yooper's suggestion and lower the Victory significantly...any other suggestions to modify the beer. The hops schedule was actually pretty good, thought I may use a little restraint on version 2.0. Also, I have recently started making some changes to water chemistry that has helped with the heartburn like bitterness that I associated with higher bitterness beers. Thanks in advance for your thoughts.


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