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Old 01-04-2009, 01:22 PM   #1
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Default Magnum/Maris SMaSH

I did a little searching and couldn't find quite what I was looking, but was wondering about Magnum hops. The only thing I can find about them is they are good for bittering and fairly clean.

I'm planning a SMaSH with it.
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3 gal batch

7lbs MO(2 of it toasted, 275 for 30 mins)
.5 oz magnum 60
.25 oz magnum 45
.25 oz Magnum 30
Notty yeast rehydrated

It comes In at about 70 Ibu's. Am I making hop water here? Has anyone made a MO/Magnum SMaSH?

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I use them for bittering only...can't say I am all that impressed with their aroma or flavor properties (especially considering all the hops w/ great character for those roles). That's a whole lot of IBUs you're throwing in there....

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I use them for bittering only...can't say I am all that impressed with their aroma or flavor properties (especially considering all the hops w/ great character for those roles). That's a whole lot of IBUs you're throwing in there....
That's my concern. Will toasting the MO and mashing high produce enough malty flavor to balance? Or should I just scale back the Magnum?

I also have a 1/4oz of Cascade, but then it's no longer a SMaSH, obviously. But if the beer will be considerably better, I will use it for flavor/aroma.
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That does sound overly hoppy for a hop that may not taste that good...In fact it's way out there for a 1.038 beer...if you want to get a better idead of the flavor profile bring it between 20 and 30 ibus...

Ignore the dot on this chart (it's BM's outerlimit's IPA) and look where the ibu/OG range for a beer at your grav would be. Extra hoppy for you would be in the high 30's. At 70 you are off the chart with to malt to back you up...even toasted.

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Look a little better? I know it's no longer a SMaSH, but I want good beer more than I really want to see how not good Magnum hops can be.

Type: All grain
Size: 3.5 gallons
Yeast: Nottingham, rehydrated
Color: 5 HCU (~5 SRM)
Bitterness: 33 IBU
Boil volume SG 1.044 @ 4.25 gallons
OG: 1.053
FG: 1.012
Alcohol: 5.3% v/v (4.2% w/w)
Grain: 7 lb. British pale
Mash: 70% efficiency

Hops:
.25 oz. Magnum (13.4% AA, 60 min.)
.125 oz. Cascade (6% AA, 45 min.)
.125 oz. Magnum (13.4% AA, 30 min.)
.125 oz. Cascade (6% AA, 15 min.)

I'm still planning on toasting 2lbs of the MO @275 for 30 minutes. Wait, does toasting the MO remove the enzymes?

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i say move the 45 and 30 min additions to 10 and 5 or 5 and 0, you will get more hop flavor and aroma and less bitterness. just my 2 cents

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i say move the 45 and 30 min additions to 10 and 5 or 5 and 0, you will get more hop flavor and aroma and less bitterness. just my 2 cents
Yeah, it might be easier for you than measuring out.125th of an ounce (al if you have a gram scale convert that to grams for ease of measuring anything that tiny.)
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Alright, revised recipe...thanks everyone for the input. I'm still not sure about the toasting of the MO. I have 7lbs of grain and I'm toasting one lb. Will it lower my gravity if I toast a lb?

Type: All grain
Size: 3.5 gallons
Color: 4 HCU (~4 SRM)
Bitterness: 30 IBU
Boil volume SG 1.038 4.25 gallons
OG: 1.046
FG: 1.012
Alcohol: 4.3% v/v (3.4% w/w)
Grain: 6 lb. British pale(7lbs total, one lb toasted)
Mash: 70% efficiency

Hops:
.25 oz. Magnum (13.4% AA, 60 min.)
.1 oz. Magnum (13.4% AA, 45 min.)
.25 oz. Cascade (6% AA, 5 min.)

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I wouldn't toast on the first SMaSH...because you want to taste each ingredient unaltered the first time (and I got yelled at in my Smash thread for wanting to do the same thing)...Most people who smash mess with things like toasting or even oaking after the first one...


But why are you adding cascade? it's not a SMASH if it's got more than 1 hop...you won't know the flavor/aroma potential of the magnum if you cover it with cascade...I personally would stick with smashing JUST the single hop and un toasted grain...

Sorry to send you back to the drawing board...(uoi could just tell us to f off and do what you want)

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I wouldn't toast on the first SMaSH...because you want to taste each ingredient unaltered the first time (and I got yelled at in my Smash thread for wanting to do the same thing)...Most people who smash mess with things like toasting or even oaking after the first one...


But why are you adding cascade? it's not a SMASH if it's got more than 1 hop...you won't know the flavor/aroma potential of the magnum if you cover it with cascade...I personally would stick with smashing JUST the single hop and un toasted grain...

Sorry to send you back to the drawing board...(uoi could just tell us to f off and do what you want)


No way! This is why I come here. I'm new to the world of All Grain, so I need the feedback. So no toasting and stick with the magnum. I shall do just that.

Type: All grain
Grain: 7 lb. British pale
Boil Volume: SG 1.044 4.25 gallons
Batch Size: 3.5 gallons
Mash: 70% efficiency
Color: 5 HCU (~5 SRM)
Bitterness: 33 IBU
OG: 1.053
FG: 1.012
Alcohol: 5.3% v/v (4.2% w/w)

Hops: .25 oz. Magnum (13.4% AA, 60 min.)
.25 oz. Magnum (13.4% AA, 15 min.)
.25 oz. Magnum (13.4% AA, 5 min.)

This puts me just into the "Slightly Hoppy" section of the Gravity/Hops ratio chart. Sound good?
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