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Yooper 08-04-2012 02:24 PM

"Kitchen Sink Rye Pale Ale"
 
I'm going to Minneapolis in a couple of weeks, and I'll be stopping in to Northern Brewer and Midwest to replenish supplies.

So I just did an inventory, and I have "a little of this, a little of that". I'd like to use up the small amounts of ingredients, but make a drinkable pale ale/amber. Here's what I've come up with so far (10.5 gallon batch):

8 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 38.2 %
5 lbs Vienna Malt (3.5 SRM) Grain 2 23.9 %
4 lbs Rye Malt (4.7 SRM) Grain 3 19.1 %
2 lbs Munich II (Weyermann) (8.5 SRM) Grain 4 9.6 %
8.0 oz Caramunich II (Weyermann) (63.0 SRM) Grain 5 2.4 %
7.0 oz Honey Malt (25.0 SRM) Grain 6 2.1 %
4.0 oz Carahell (Weyermann) (13.0 SRM) Grain 7 1.2 %
4.0 oz Carared (Weyermann) (24.0 SRM) Grain 8 1.2 %
4.0 oz Special Roast (50.0 SRM) Grain 9 1.2 %
4.0 oz Victory Malt (25.0 SRM) Grain 10 1.2 %

1.00 oz Magnum [11.60 %] - FWH Hop 11 19.1 IBUs
1.00 oz Willamette [5.60 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 12 5.6 IBUs
1.00 oz Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 13 5.0 IBUs
1.00 oz Fuggles [4.00 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 14 2.6 IBUs
1.00 oz Cascade (Homegrown) [5.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 15 1.6 IBUs
1.00 oz Willamette [5.60 %] - Aroma Steep 0.0 min Hop 16 0.0 IBUs


OG: 1.052
IBU: 34
Color: 8.7 SRM
What do you think? Drinkable? Too sweet? All ideas are appreciated!

kingwood-kid 08-04-2012 03:53 PM

Probably a little too sweet for my tastes, although my tastes aren't terribly important, as I don't plan on swinging by the UP for a pint anytime soon. I'd consider moving some of the magnum to a regular 60-minute addition, or leaving out some of the sinkier grains that you'll probably have a use for later. I don't advocate wastefulness, but the total retail value of your last six malts is about $4. I'd rather have 10 gallons of better beer than try to earn back that $4.

bbrim 08-05-2012 12:42 AM

I think it will be a touch sweet but not overly. The bigger concern would be that the malt profile will be confusing. Just too many elements all mashed together. I think it would be drinkable but cause palate fatigue. With ample time to condition the malt profile might coalesce into a deep subtle flavor combination. Personally, I tend to cap the number of malts at 5 for ordinary strength beers and might go with 6 malts for something bigger. I think you could either scrap the Munich or the Vienna. After that I would cut out at least three of the other specialty grains to try and create a better defined malt profile. The hops look great and as long as your mash is 154 or lower I really think it should finish crisp. Good luck!

Yooper 08-05-2012 12:42 AM

I rarely use honey malt, and I'm unsure if it "fits" or not. I liked it when I did use it, but I'm concerned it may be a bit too sweet for my taste as well.

I've used Munich/Vienna/two-row before in combination but it wasn't really my goal to do so- I just only have 8 pounds of two-row left and I don't want too much Munich II.

I didn't think there would be much difference in Carahell/Carared/CaraMunich and just sort of lumped them together in my mind as crystal malts to use up. I often use a mix of crystal malts in APAs and ambers for complexity, but usually it's like 40L/80L mixed. I love victory malt, but I'm just about out so I was hoping the special roast could be a sort of sub for that biscuity toastiness I get from victory malt.

I would mash at 152, and use a clean well attenuating ale yeast (probably WLP001),

Thank you for your thoughts! It definitely gives me more to think about.

Stauffbier 08-05-2012 12:50 AM

7oz of honey malt doesn't seem like it would be too sweet with that grain bill in 10.5 gal. I do tend to like semi-sweet beer, though. It all sounds delicious to me Yooper!

chuckstout 08-05-2012 02:36 AM

For a kitchen sink beer that looks pretty tasty. Maybe up the hops a bit to counter any percieved sweetness

chuckstout 08-05-2012 02:41 AM

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JonnyJumpUp 08-05-2012 02:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbrim (Post 4305704)
I think it will be a touch sweet but not overly. The bigger concern would be that the malt profile will be confusing. Just too many elements all mashed together. I think it would be drinkable but cause palate fatigue. With ample time to condition the malt profile might coalesce into a deep subtle flavor combination. Personally, I tend to cap the number of malts at 5 for ordinary strength beers and might go with 6 malts for something bigger. I think you could either scrap the Munich or the Vienna. After that I would cut out at least three of the other specialty grains to try and create a better defined malt profile. The hops look great and as long as your mash is 154 or lower I really think it should finish crisp. Good luck!

If you are trying to reduce the complexity of this recipe I think the munich and vienna is the wrong place to look. I'd axe the honey because this seems like it will be sweet enough without it. Save the honey for a pale ale down the road.

beowulf 08-05-2012 03:02 AM

Taking the non-purist route, I'd say go for it! Yeah it'll be complex, and some things may get lost as a result of the myriad ingredients, but it might turn out REALLY good anyway. I'm not usually worried about a pale ale or amber being too sweet, personally, and I doubt it will be sugary and cloying...just perhaps not as dry as some may prefer. I did a similar kitchen sink routine with a barleywine and I loved it so much... So my vote is for throwing caution to the wind and giving it a shot!

PaulyWantsABeer 08-05-2012 04:54 PM

Drop the Vienna and Rye down a bit and increase the Pale, then add a bit more hops to balance the sweetness.


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