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Old 06-12-2010, 02:41 AM   #1
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Hey guys I've been throwing this recipe around for a while, I can never seem to land on a final version. I know i would like to lager it and I chose 2042 Danish Lager because its one of my favorites and should lend a dry finish.

How does it's latest iteration look? Oh, and the odd grain amounts are because it was originally scaled down from 11 gallons.


BeerSmith Recipe Printout - www.beersmith.com
Recipe: Finnigan's Wake
Brewer: Rick Etshman
Asst Brewer:
Style: Irish Red Ale
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (0.0)

Recipe Specifications
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Batch Size: 6.00 gal
Boil Size: 7.11 gal
Estimated OG: 1.052 SG
Estimated Color: 14.0 SRM
Estimated IBU: 24.4 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.0 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amount Item Type % or IBU
8.22 lb Pale Malt, Maris Otter (3.0 SRM) Grain 74.0 %
2.09 lb Vienna Malt (3.5 SRM) Grain 18.8 %
0.28 lb Chocolate Malt (350.0 SRM) Grain 2.5 %
0.26 lb Munich Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM) Grain 2.3 %
0.13 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 1.2 %
0.13 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt -120L (120.0 SRM) Grain 1.2 %
1.25 oz Goldings, East Kent [5.30%] (60 min) Hops 20.1 IBU
0.50 oz Williamette [4.60%] (20 min) Hops 4.2 IBU
1 Pkgs Danish Lager (Wyeast Labs #2042) Yeast-Lager


Mash Schedule: My Mash
Total Grain Weight: 11.11 lb
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Name Description Step Temp Step Time
Mash In Add 3.44 gal of water at 168.5 F 153.0 F 60 min

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Old 06-12-2010, 11:52 AM   #2
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I haven't heard of anyone doing an Irish red as a lager before. While your Danish yeast may be a drier lager yeast, you're not really going to get a dry finish with that much vienna/munich/crystal.

If you want to try it with the lager yeast, by all means do. I rarely stick to style as well. But if you want this to be recognizable as an "irish red", swap your yeast for an ale yeast.

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Old 06-12-2010, 01:13 PM   #3
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You are probably right about the finish, I'm hoping it may help with the perception a bit at least. I know some commercial examples use lager strains, and I think it could be an interesting beer outside of all the usual Irish red's. Of course I would hope to create something far away from and better than Killian's.

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I don't mean to hijack the thread, but how in the heck do you guys measure out 8.22 lbs of xxxxx or 1.08lbs of xxxxxx? Do you guys own a digital scale or do you round up/down?????

I own an analog scale and just round up or down.....just wondering.

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You are probably right about the finish, I'm hoping it may help with the perception a bit at least. I know some commercial examples use lager strains, and I think it could be an interesting beer outside of all the usual Irish red's. Of course I would hope to create something far away from and better than Killian's.
But...Killian's IS Irish Red. That's one of those imaginary beer styles based
on a brand name. If you want something that doesn't taste like Killians,
then you want a different style, like a pale ale, or a bitter.

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Old 06-12-2010, 02:39 PM   #6
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I think you are not getting what I'm saying. I want it to be in the same style as Killian's, I am just hoping the result would be more flavorful, exciting than Killian's. I am simply asking for critique on the grain bill and such.

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Old 06-12-2010, 03:24 PM   #7
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ILOVEBEER, my LHBS lets us weigh out our own grains, and they have pretty nice digital scales. I imagine most shops sell digital scales for pretty cheap.

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BJCP recognizes an Irish Red brewed as a Lager and an Ale. I'd throw in 2-3oz of Roasted Barley. That's the flavor I associate with an Irish Red...just a hint of roastiness.

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+1 on the Roasted Barley, it will also give you that roastiness and the ruby red color you need for the style. You can most likely back off or elliminate some of the other adjuncts by adding the Roasted Barley.

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BJCP recognizes an Irish Red brewed as a Lager and an Ale. I'd throw in 2-3oz of Roasted Barley. That's the flavor I associate with an Irish Red...just a hint of roastiness.
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But...Killian's IS Irish Red. That's one of those imaginary beer styles based
on a brand name. If you want something that doesn't taste like Killians,
then you want a different style, like a pale ale, or a bitter.

Ray
No. There are guidelines for the style. That's like saying Miller Lite IS Pilsner - if you want something that tastes different, you want a different style. I don't think Killian's is a real Irish Red. BJCP doesn't even include it in it's commercial examples.
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