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Old 02-16-2005, 06:21 AM   #1
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hey all,
i was wondering if anyone had ideas for making a very inexpensive beer without sacraficing much taste. i have been doing 10 gallon batches for a while now and my prices have ranged from $55 to $90 for one batch (depending on how fancy I get), but i am curious to see if i could get the price down to the $35 - $45 range (still 10 gallons), while still having a delicious, refreshing beer. if anyone has any ideas, let me know!



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Old 02-16-2005, 02:04 PM   #2
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hey all,
i was wondering if anyone had ideas for making a very inexpensive beer without sacraficing much taste. i have been doing 10 gallon batches for a while now and my prices have ranged from $55 to $90 for one batch (depending on how fancy I get), but i am curious to see if i could get the price down to the $35 - $45 range (still 10 gallons), while still having a delicious, refreshing beer. if anyone has any ideas, let me know!

I think A.G. is less expensive than extract. I do partial mash brews and purchase in bulk, grains with pale malt extract for a base. About $150 for 3 to 5 batches (5gal) depending on "how fancy". Thirty dollars per batch is my rule of thumb. My investigation leads me to think A.G. would be about $20 per, and this is for high grav, big beers that I prefer. Others may help more, A.G. is around the corner for me. Be careful, "very inexpensive" can become cheap. Good Luck!


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Old 02-16-2005, 05:57 PM   #3
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hey all,
i was wondering if anyone had ideas for making a very inexpensive beer without sacraficing much taste. i have been doing 10 gallon batches for a while now and my prices have ranged from $55 to $90 for one batch (depending on how fancy I get), but i am curious to see if i could get the price down to the $35 - $45 range (still 10 gallons), while still having a delicious, refreshing beer. if anyone has any ideas, let me know!
You must be brewing extract? I brew 10-12 gallon batches all-grain and it costs about $30-$35 for an average batch. If you're going to brew that much, you should consider going all-grain and buying ingredients in bulk.

Dang, extract brewing doesn't really save you any money does it?
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Old 02-16-2005, 06:21 PM   #4
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so i just have to go all grain and buy in bulk... that makes perfect sense. right now i am paying $1.50 per lb of grain and $1.50 per oz of hops, so it makes sense that the store is marking that up quite a bit (its hard to make profit on such small prices unless you round up, say, to the nearest 50 cents). unfortunately the all grain equipment costs so much. ah well, pays out in the long run, right? maybe i'll even bump myself up to 20 gallon batches once i start all grain.

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so i just have to go all grain and buy in bulk... that makes perfect sense. right now i am paying $1.50 per lb of grain and $1.50 per oz of hops, so it makes sense that the store is marking that up quite a bit (its hard to make profit on such small prices unless you round up, say, to the nearest 50 cents). unfortunately the all grain equipment costs so much. ah well, pays out in the long run, right? maybe i'll even bump myself up to 20 gallon batches once i start all grain.
Well, 20 gallon batches is a whole new kettle of fish. You'll need to basically build a stationary brewery. 2 guys can lift a kettle with 10 gallons in it. Not so with 20 gallons. And the cost of your equipment goes up dramatically. A converted keg can be scrounged cheap for a kettle for 10 gallons. How you'd boil 20 gallons I have no idea. Not to mention mashing, heating sparge water, etc. I think 10 gallon batches is the perfect homebrew size, but that's just me.

Another thing I'd add is that yes, the equipment is expensive. And yeah *maybe* it pays for itself in the very long run. But in general, monetary savings isn't a very good reason to homebrew, because you'll usually be disappointed What with time, equipment, etc, etc, etc, it needs to be a labor of love. I'm constantly putting money into it, but, hey, I have a blast doing it and I have fresh beer on tap all the time.

In other words, when you factor everything in, I'm not convinced homebrewing really saves that much money over buying beer no matter how you do it.
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Being a kit guy thus far it seems to range in the $24-35 range for 5 gal. I'd say it's a "little bit" cheaper than going out and buying 2 cases of guiness etc not including the equip & my time but I agree I'm not in it for the the cash savings.

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Man, don't those local brew shops ream you on buying small quantities?

Try looking for hops online, for example heartshomebrew.com is a great place, I just bought 2 pounds of whole hops for about 73 cents per ounce, shipping included. If you are brewing large batches, or have friends to split the costs, that is the way to go. Also, for grains, you might look for a microbrewery in your area. Here in pocatello Idaho we have the Portneuf Valley Brewing co., great guys work there, and I can get 2row pale malt for 35 cents a pound and specialty grains for 50 cents a pound. So a 5 gal. all grain batch can run about 9 bucks for grain and hops! There are plenty of online places that sell bulk grains as well, but there you run into the costs of shipping overwhelming any savings per pound. Local is the way to go! Good luck on the search for good cheap beer, it is possible, and it is the reason I am switching to all grain!

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Man, don't those local brew shops ream you on buying small quantities?

Try looking for hops online, for example heartshomebrew.com is a great place, I just bought 2 pounds of whole hops for about 73 cents per ounce, shipping included. If you are brewing large batches, or have friends to split the costs, that is the way to go. Also, for grains, you might look for a microbrewery in your area. Here in pocatello Idaho we have the Portneuf Valley Brewing co., great guys work there, and I can get 2row pale malt for 35 cents a pound and specialty grains for 50 cents a pound. So a 5 gal. all grain batch can run about 9 bucks for grain and hops! There are plenty of online places that sell bulk grains as well, but there you run into the costs of shipping overwhelming any savings per pound. Local is the way to go! Good luck on the search for good cheap beer, it is possible, and it is the reason I am switching to all grain!

Hey thanks for the link. $5.99/pound for whole Cascades?!?!?! That's awesome! Too bad I just ordered $80 worth of hops the other day.

And $.50 per pound for grain? You lucky dog. Treat those brewers right

I gotta check with some of my local breweries and see what they can do for me...
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Sorry about the double post, but what Janx and Desert say above is true, I have probably sunk close to 200 bucks on getting set up for all grain, and even with cheap raw materials, it will take a while to make all that back. I mainly did it because I think all grain looks like a ton of fun, more control, fresher taste, and basically a love of the process of beer making! (but it does help justify the whole process if you can make a bottle of beer for just over a quarter! And you can justify drinking more of it too! ) Hmmm.... Beer.

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Another thing I'd add is that yes, the equipment is expensive. And yeah *maybe* it pays for itself in the very long run. But in general, monetary savings isn't a very good reason to homebrew, because you'll usually be disappointed What with time, equipment, etc, etc, etc, it needs to be a labor of love. I'm constantly putting money into it, but, hey, I have a blast doing it and I have fresh beer on tap all the time.

In other words, when you factor everything in, I'm not convinced homebrewing really saves that much money over buying beer no matter how you do it.
That's funny you mention that, because that's why I started originally. That motivation ended once I started my first batch. Once you throw yourself into every aspect of your brewing, however easy or hard you decide to make it, it raises the enjoyment to a much higher level.....


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