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Old 03-31-2010, 10:20 PM   #51
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honey experiment. The 1/2lb is still fermenting slowly after 10 days. The non-honey 3 gals is showing no fermentation and is clearing. While I did this to see if it was to sweet at 1 lb/2 gal. with continued fermentation I think the final gravity is going to be lower than the control. Which is going to give more conversion to alcohol and therefore a dryer taste. I am expecting 1016 on the control which is my target body which gives me 8.3% alcohol. since I did this in secondary, I have to calculate the effect of the honey whiih i fiqure will raise my orginal gravity to 1082. If my final gravity hits 1014, bingo I'm at 10%, which is hopslams apv. Hopslam with an og of 1087 needs to drop to 1020 fg for 10% . My recipe for this was 14lbs4oz of MO and 1lb carapils. I did 30 minutes at 148 and 30 at 158 in feb in unheated attached garage. sleep I think Im right about the honey but aleast til monday in secondary, then 2 to bottle ferment.

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Old 04-11-2010, 02:51 AM   #52
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Honey experiment racked. final gravity on control ipa 1020 giving me 7.7% apv Honey sample finished at 1016. using wine guys 1/2 lb sugar to add 20 points. that makes the honey sample 1082 og and 1016 fg for 10% apv. In the interest of science I have sacrificed myself and forced myself to drink about 3 glasses. Sowhat are my thoughts.
This ipa is an english ipa with 3 oz goldens at 4.5 added at 60 min 2 ozgoldens at 4.9added at 30 min an 2 oz goldens at 4.9 added at 10 min. which gets me 69.8 ibu. The result is a very light honey taste and a lessening of the hops bite over the control ipa.

My bias is I'm a malt guy. Therefore I found it desireable. The guy earlier in this post in a reply to me will not like it. Since my knowledge of hops is limited, the hops guys are have to give some input. I think my orginal assumption is correct 2.5 lbs might be to much. Second thing that may change my result, is this was done in secondary fermentation not in the last 10 minutes of the boil. you could tell which secondary car boy had the honey it had visibly more sediment. In 2 weeks bottles should be charged and we will taste a hop slam against these 2 of mine. I will add honey at 1.25 lbs in the last 10 minutes of boil. but that is weeks away to know the result.

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Old 04-17-2010, 12:57 AM   #53
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Could not wait another week. So what's new about that. LOL broke open a bottle of my control and a bottle of the honey. I also went back to rooftops IBU calculator and found I had hit 117.9 ibu. I knew which was which so I/m trying to be honest.(and me a rat) The honey lowered the hop bite on the begging taste and kept it low throughout. Even in the finish. because the control finished at 1020 and the honey took it to 1016. Both had a malt taste. The honey was barely discernable and I could be contributing honey to the lower ending gravity but still a sweet taste. As a malt guy I liked the ending finish of a lighter hop bite. Also the same reason, I eliminated Northern brewers Hops from my recipe so put that in your decision of my results. My drinking buddy has saved some hop slam so we can compare but the recipes won't be the same but what the heck he's bring the hopslam. Since my efficiency is 3.98 a six pack an he's paying 16+ I'm ahead of the game. My definition of efficiency cost of making a six pack + cost of equipment divided by 120 all divided by the lowest cost of the commercial beer you drink per six pack. so 3.98 divided by 8.51 is 47% efficient. Since I have not bought any equipment in the last 10 years except glass hydromters and thermoniter, I have no equipment costs.

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Old 04-20-2010, 12:39 AM   #54
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I have 5 gallons in the secondary right now (dry hopping), I should have better input for all in the recipe I used. I changed again from what I originally posted. I'm still a few weeks away from it being ready ( I bottle condition). But the Hydro sample shows to be promising ....

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Old 04-20-2010, 01:11 AM   #55
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Any chance of posting the new recipe for us in case we want to throw caution to the wind and go for it?

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Old 04-20-2010, 01:32 AM   #56
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Sure, why not? I have to give credit to everyone in this thread for helping me read between the lines on the info from bells. Again I've only had the hydro sample ....

BeerSmith Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
Recipe: Hopslam?
Brewer: Jonathan
Asst Brewer:
Style: Imperial IPA
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (35.0)

Recipe Specifications
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Batch Size: 6.50 gal
Boil Size: 8.71 gal
OG: 1.087 SG
Estimated Color: 7.2 SRM
Estimated IBU: 66.5 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 76.00 %
Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amount Item Type % or IBU
16 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 81.67 %
8.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 20L (20.0 SRM) Grain 2.55 %
8.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (40.0 SRM) Grain 2.55 % -
1.50 oz Centennial [6.00 %] (60 min) (First Wort Hops) 32.8 IBU
1.00 oz Vanguard [4.40 %] (20 min) Hops 4.9 IBU
2.00 oz Glacier [6.50 %] (20 min) Hops 14.5 IBU
3.00 oz Amarillo Gold [8.60 %] (5 min) Hops 14.3 IBU
1.00 oz Amarillo Gold [8.60 %] (0 min) Hops
4.00 oz Simcoe [17.70 %] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops
1.00 tsp Gypsum (Calcium Sulfate) (Boil 60.0 min) Misc
2 lbs 9.4 oz Honey (1.0 SRM) Sugar 13.22 % Added at Flameout
1 Pkgs Rogue Pacman Yeast (Wyeast #1764-PC) A step up from a 1 L starter to a 2L Started fermentation @64 ramped up to 68 after bulk of fermentation.

Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body, No Mash Out
Total Grain Weight: 17.00 lb
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Single Infusion, Medium Body, No Mash Out
Step Time Name Description Step Temp
60 min Mash In Add 21.25 qt of water at 165.9 F 154.0 F


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4/18/10 Racked to secondary, added 4oz of simcoe to dry hop.


The honey should be around 2.5lbs, It was a little too easy to measure and then squeeze out and give a little too much ...
Let me know thoughts and suggestions ... I'm looking forward to this one being ready ...

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Also as a side note, because the honey was added at flameout the IBU's should be about 10pts higher due to better hop utilization ...

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Old 04-24-2010, 07:49 PM   #58
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Sleepyemt,
I am encouraged that there are still people who bottle fement. Last night my drinking and his other halve were over for dinner. Afterwards I took the bottle of I brought out my 2 bottles and the hop slam. He picked out the one with the honey even at a 1/4lb of honey per gallon. The amazing thing was he thought the honey taste was the same intensity then told me he liked my
English IPA with honey better than hop slam.

I think you could probably use less honey and you would not find much difference. As for making hop slam, i just hit a home run and I don't have all those hop additions. Just 7 oz of goldenings in a 60, 30 and 10 add. Please post how yours compared when the bottles have reach carbonation. Been fun

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Sleepyemt,
Final post, I just racked to secondary a repeat of my english IPA, I followed your note only I added a 1lb and 1/4 to flame out. had the same resulting taste as the add to secondary. Also had my IPA adicted client over he said mine had an apricot taste but the honey flavor was similar. One other thing Honey is expensive to add, business decision lower cost with same quality is more profitable. My conclusion 1.24 lbs honey.

For the record If anyone even cares, Try adding honey to your next ipa it mellows the hops and just does something wonderful to the taste. However if bitter is better don't do it.

Sleepy, I am awaiting your final post after your beer has headed. I figured my final cost per 6 pack at 4.03 per six pack. God I LOVE being a rat

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So here are a few pics .... very close and very happy with the results, I think a few minor tweaks and it will be there ....
First, No first Wort Hopping, you'll need that bitterness to come through ...
Second, Mash a little lower than the 154, I get a little more sweetness coming through ... although it may be from FWHing ...
I get a little more mango from the mine, and a little more peach from hopslam .... maybe up the glacier and lower the Amarillo at the end ...
Last the carbonation isn't where I'd like it, I'd ad some at bottling to help at the end, I finished @ 9.83%

On a side note it scored a 38 in a recent competition, Tastes great, a lot of complements, My wife said the best yet .... Thanks to all that have played along ....I love what it is and look forward to some tweaking ....

recipe is ....
BeerSmith Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
Recipe: Hopslam (v.1)
Brewer: Jonathan
Asst Brewer:
Style: Imperial IPA
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (38.0)

Recipe Specifications
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Batch Size: 6.50 gal
Boil Size: 8.71 gal
Estimated OG: 1.086 SG
Estimated Color: 7.2 SRM
Estimated IBU: 66.5 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 76.00 %
Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amount Item Type % or IBU
16 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 81.67 %
8.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 20L (20.0 SRM) Grain 2.55 %
8.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (40.0 SRM) Grain 2.55 %
1.50 oz Centennial [6.00 %] (90 min) (First Wort Hops 32.8 IBU
4.00 oz Simcoe [17.70 %] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops -
1.00 oz Vanguard [4.40 %] (20 min) Hops 4.9 IBU
2.00 oz Glacier [6.50 %] (20 min) Hops 14.5 IBU
3.00 oz Amarillo Gold [8.60 %] (5 min) Hops 14.3 IBU
1.00 oz Amarillo Gold [8.60 %] (0 min) Hops -
1.00 tsp Gypsum (Calcium Sulfate) (Boil 60.0 min) Misc
2 lbs 9.4 oz Honey (1.0 SRM) Sugar 13.22 %
1 Pkgs Rogue Pacman Yeast (Wyeast #1764-PC) [StarYeast-Ale


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body, No Mash Out
Total Grain Weight: 17.00 lb
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Single Infusion, Medium Body, No Mash Out
Step Time Name Description Step Temp
60 min Mash In Add 21.25 qt of water at 165.9 F 154.0 F

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