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Old 12-06-2013, 03:36 PM   #1
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Default Hopping with 4 varieties

Hey, fellow brewers!

I am planning my next batch, which will an Amber Ale. I want it to be very aromatic, with hop flavors instead of lots of bitterness. Here is my plan:


- 0.4oz Centennial at the last 20min (bitter);
- 1.4oz Ahtanum at the last 10min (flavor);
- 1.7oz Centennial at the last 5min (aroma/flavor);
- 1.7oz Hop Union Exp. 342 at the last 1min (aroma);
- 1.7oz Topaz at the last 1min (aroma).


For that 7oz of hops, BYO Calculator says its a total of 35 IBU, which is fine for me

Question: is there any downside on using four or five hop varieties?
I mean, how the characteristics of each hop will come out, considering they have different citrous tones and some of them are floral and fruity?

Finally, should I pay attention on something specifically when using that amount of hops?

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Old 12-06-2013, 05:00 PM   #2
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It's hard to predict exactly how using a lot of varieties in one beer will play out. It's like cooking: sometimes you get desirable complexity when you use a lot of different spices; but sometimes you get muddiness and incoherence. In my experience, desirable complexity and depth is easier to achieve when you use hops that fall into similar "families" of flavors and aromas--this is why Cascade and Centennial is such a classic choice, because their citrus notes reinforce each other. I can't really give you much input on the hops you've selected there, though, because I'm only really familiar with Centennial.

As for having 7 ounces of hops--if they're pellets, you'll have a lot of gunk in the kettle. If they're whole hops, you'll have a lot of soaking flowers in the kettle. Either way, you should expect to lose more wort in the kettle to absorption than you would in a beer that has relatively little in the way of hops. 7 ounces is a lot, but not insane.

Just as a small piece of technique input: you might want to try adding some of the hops (say, the 5- and 1-minute additions) later. Let the wort cool to 180, and then add in those hops, and then let the wort stand. This can enhance aroma compared to a normal late addition, and it also won't give you much bitterness (normally, additions at the end of a boil do actually add some bitterness, since the wort is essentially boiling for at least a few minutes while you set up and begin cooling).

Good luck. If it were me, I would still consider upping the bitterness a little bit, but that's personal preference. Just make sure you drink the thing young.

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Good luck. If it were me, I would still consider upping the bitterness a little bit, but that's personal preference. Just make sure you drink the thing young.
Thanks a lot for great reply, Motorneuron! The hops I have mentioned are all citrous, each one having other particularities (mostly fruity or floral).

I dread getting grassy tones from that amount of hops. Regarding the technich you mentioned (adding hops right after the boil), I wonder if the hop flavours I seek would be extracted. From your experience, how long should I wait until starting the cooling, for best hop aroma?

Finally, about the gunk, what about using hop bags? Is it useful only when dry hopping?
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If you want aroma you definitely must dry hop after fermentaton is complete! I like to use 1.5oz/5 gallons in my pale ales recipes (5-5.5%abv). Just drop pellets or cones directly into your fermenter from the hop bag or from a sanitized and dry container. Let them ride 7 days and then transfer to packaging using a racking cane with a sanitized paint strainer zip tied to the tip! Works awesome! At least 2X as much aroma when you dry hop.

I always use multiple hops in my IPA/APA. Usually some combination of Cascade, Centennial, Citra and/or Amarillo.

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In my IPA recipe that has won many awards (2 1st place and a 3rd BOS), I dry hop with 2 oz of cascade and 1 oz of Citra per 5 gallons.

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Haven't used Amarillo in an IPA yet but everything I've heard is great. Your beer looks good. Any ideas on the IBUs?

here's my recipe

5 Gal Batch
6lb LME Marris Otter
1lb corn sugar
1lb LME Munich
.38lb crystal 40
.13lb crystal 20
.06lb crystal 60

Hop Bill
1 oz Columbus 60 min
1 oz cascade 30 min
1 oz citra 15 min
1 oz galaxy 1 min

Dry hop(7 days)
1 oz cascade
1 oz citra
1 oz galaxy

ABV 6.6%
IBU 93.8

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I've used simcoe Amarillo and citra and calypso and it worked very well.

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Well, I have decided to use all those hops on my next batch. The first batch where I try the so called late hopping.

My only concern is how this hop flavor and aroma will deal with the malt body that I expect to build? I mean, it will be a full body beer, with lots of caramel coming from the malt (even oat malt and flakes).

Does a malted beer blend well with high aromatic and hop flavored characteristics?

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