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Old 02-14-2013, 06:33 PM   #1
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Hey all.

After a lackluster pale ale, I feel as if I need to redeem myself with a good IPA or APA. I checked the ingredients list in the sticky for hop flavors and aromas, but all of the links are fairly incomplete. They're either missing varieties that are now fairly common, or the descriptions are lackluster. i.e. Citra is labeled as "intense" and that's all.

What hop resource do you guys use for dreaming up hop combos? I know a lot comes from experience, but we've all got to start somewhere!



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I picked up BYOs Hop Guide a while back. It's got a lot of good information. There's a list in the back with hop descriptions. I keep it in my brew notebook at all times.

Also, if you do partial boils like me, hop bursting really helps with hop flavor.



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I picked up BYOs Hop Guide a while back. It's got a lot of good information. There's a list in the back with hop descriptions. I keep it in my brew notebook at all times.

Also, if you do partial boils like me, hop bursting really helps with hop flavor.
Is this what you're referring to?
http://www.byo.com/store/byo-special-issues/hop-lovers-guide
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I find beer legends hop variety listing to be a great resource. Combine this with the new interactive hop chart and you can potentially dial in some decent combos:

Beerlegends Hop Varieties: http://beerlegends.com/hops-varieties

Ryan Hope's Interactive Hop Chart: http://glimmer.rstudio.com/ryanhope/hops/

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I find beer legends hop variety listing to be a great resource. Combine this with the new interactive hop chart and you can potentially dial in some decent combos:

Beerlegends Hop Varieties: http://beerlegends.com/hops-varieties

Ryan Hope's Interactive Hop Chart: http://glimmer.rstudio.com/ryanhope/hops/
Oh this seems pretty nice. There's not much for direct flavor descriptions, but by looking at the oil composition you can figure it out.
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Get this book. The newest edition was updated with all the recent hop varieties as of December 2012. It goes all the way from dumbed-down descriptions and uses of each hop to detailed explinations of the science involved.

It has everything about everything about hops. For $11.33, it's really the current definitive handbook.

http://www.amazon.com/Love-Hops-Practical-Bitterness-Elements/dp/1938469011/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1360877840&sr=1-1&keywords=hops

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Hey all.

After a lackluster pale ale, I feel as if I need to redeem myself with a good IPA or APA. I checked the ingredients list in the sticky for hop flavors and aromas, but all of the links are fairly incomplete. They're either missing varieties that are now fairly common, or the descriptions are lackluster. i.e. Citra is labeled as "intense" and that's all.

What hop resource do you guys use for dreaming up hop combos? I know a lot comes from experience, but we've all got to start somewhere!
Can you give your recipe? Perhaps there are some process corrections that could be made to help get the hop character you're looking for.
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Yeah, while some hops are better for bittering, some for flavor, others for aroma, and some can do a combination of things, when you add them is also key.

Bitterness comes from an early addition (near the start of the boil) mostly, but can come from later additions too, so long as the wort is still hot enough to isomerize hop crystals.

Flavor comes from additions near the middle of the boil, usually 30-15 minutes left.

Aroma comes mostly from late additions, 15-0 mins left and also dry-hopping.

You bitter to get IBU's. You add generally more flavor and even more aroma hops because it takes more to get the desired effects of these things. Dry-hopping is key for a good PA/IPA.

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Can you give your recipe? Perhaps there are some process corrections that could be made to help get the hop character you're looking for.
Sure. It wasn't the most heavily hopped ale, but I definitely assumed it would have carried much more character. The brew tastes slightly hoppy but has zero aroma.

1 oz Warrior 60 (this batch was 17% AA)
1 oz Willamette 15
2 oz Willamette 5
1 oz Centennial 5

I've recently come to the conclusion that FO additions with a stand around 180 degrees probably gets more flavor. I'm also going to dry hop as well next time.
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Also look up commercial beers and see if you can find the hops used. For instance 2 hearted is all centennial, obviously same with founders centennial ipa. Arrogant bastard is supposed to be all chinook, although I think it could be columbus plus something else...



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