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Old 02-05-2010, 02:03 PM   #1
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Default Hop experiment gone wrong....

So after watching the Basic Brewing video podcast about boiling double the amount of hops for 15 minutes vs. boiling a standard amount of hops for 60 minutes, I decided to give it a try. The theory here is that you can increase the hop aroma and flavor while not losing bitterness by boiling double the amount of hops the recipe requires, but only for 15 minutes. I'm afraid this experiment went horribly wrong as when I tasted a sample it was VERY sweet with little bitterness if any.

The recipe I used was one I made up that is loosely based off of a Broken Halo grain bill with the hops that I had on hand. Here's what I did:

9 lbs 2-row pale
1 lbs Crystal 10
1 lbs Crystal 30
.5 lb Carpils

4.0 oz Cascade 5.4% @ 15 min
2.0 oz Willamette 4.8% @ 5 min
1.0 oz Willamette 4.8% @ flameout

Beersmith has the IBUs at 42.3 and the OG was 1.061. The bitterness ratio was 0.683. Do you think this was just too unbalanced to begin with? How can I go about adding bitterness? The batch is already fermenting, so should I wait until it's finished and then add some hop tea, perhaps by boiling an ounce of hops in a quart of water for 60 minutes and then adding the tea to secondary? Would dry hopping help to balance out this brew?

I am open to any advice!

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Old 02-05-2010, 02:06 PM   #2
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Was the tasting before fermentation? If so, let it be; it'll likely be fine & balance will come once the sugars ferment out.

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Yes, it was before fermentation. I tasted the OG hydrometer sample before racking on top of a yeast cake.

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Old 02-05-2010, 02:26 PM   #4
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lol... my 1075 100 IBU DIPA was sweet before fermentation...

relax and wait, it'll come around

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Good to hear. Thanks!

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ALL of mine are sweet before fermentation. I have no ability at all to judge how stuff is going to turn out before. It all just tastes like malt at that point to me.

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AFAIK, hop bitterness is not extracted until about the 30 min mark...at 15 mins all you got was aroma...

As I know hops to work...

...if you had used 2 oz at 30 mins then I would be the same as 1 oz at 1 hour EXCEPT...you would also have a lot of hop flavor.

In other words:

1 hour = bitterness only
30 mins = very little bitterness, mostly flavor and some aroma
15 mins or less = aroma only

I've experimented with hops in that way before with a Hefe Weizen. I usually use .5 oz of 6% AA hops for 60 mins (equals 3AAs). I tried 1 oz for 30 mins and got a hoppy and flavorful HW, not the slightly bitter, mostly sweet HW I was used to.

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You also have over two pounds of crystal malt. That's most likely your problem.

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Yeah, just wait it out and it will be fine. All wort is sweet because the sugar hasn't been converted yet.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by homebrewer_99 View Post
AFAIK, hop bitterness is not extracted until about the 30 min mark...at 15 mins all you got was aroma...

As I know hops to work...

...if you had used 2 oz at 30 mins then I would be the same as 1 oz at 1 hour EXCEPT...you would also have a lot of hop flavor.

In other words:

1 hour = bitterness only
30 mins = very little bitterness, mostly flavor and some aroma
15 mins or less = aroma only

I've experimented with hops in that way before with a Hefe Weizen. I usually use .5 oz of 6% AA hops for 60 mins (equals 3AAs). I tried 1 oz for 30 mins and got a hoppy and flavorful HW, not the slightly bitter, mostly sweet HW I was used to.
If that's the case then the information in this podcast was inaccurate:

http://cdn2.libsyn.com/basicbrewing/...659148105436c6

Also, this would mean that Beersmith was inaccurate as well. I entered the hop additions at 15 min and Beersmith still gave me an IBU of 42.3. If late hop additions at 15 mins = aroma only then why would Beersmith show an IBU of 42.3?
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