Having just read the thread about being nice to new users, please keep that in mind. When I'm brewing, I'm here all of the time. When I'm not, not so much. I always try to research my question before asking, but the number of topics and associated threads can sometimes be overwelming. That being said, I haven't had time to brew lately, but I have kept up with my BYO and All About Beer magazines about the hop shortage. I'm sure there have been discussions about replacing one available hop for another, but have there been any about substitutes for hops with other things? I haven't seen any suggestions in the magazines, can anyone send me to a thread where it has been disscussed?