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Old 04-08-2011, 06:22 PM   #1
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Default Honey APA: My first Recipe

I did some research and the recipe seems good to me but I could very well be missing something or making a big mistake. I want to learn from the accidents I make, but if anyone sees any problems with the recipe please give me the heads up so I can learn without wasting my money.

HONEY APA

Mini Mash

Grain:
1 lb. White Wheat malt
.5 lb. Gambrinus Honey Malt
2 lb. American crystal 20L

Boil:
7 lb. Light malt extract
1.25 lb. Honey

Hops: .5 oz. Cascade (6% AA, 60 min.)
1 oz. Liberty (4% AA, 60 min.)
.5 oz. Cascade (6% AA, 30 min.)
.5 oz. Amarillo (8.5% AA, 15 min.)
.5 oz. Willamette (5% AA, 15 min.)
.5 oz. Willamette (aroma)
.25 oz. Honey (aroma)

Yeast:
Wyeast 1272 American Ale II

What do you guys think?

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Old 04-08-2011, 06:41 PM   #2
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I'd at least half the crystal malt, 2.5lbs is a bit much. Personally, I'd do only 0.5lb each. you can go higher if you want, but I wouldnt go over 1.5lbs total.

I'm not sure if its a typo or not, but I'd add all of the honey at the end of the boil. In either case, nearly all the flavor/aroma will be lost during fermentation, but boiling it will decrease the chances of any lasting.

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I'd at least half the crystal malt, 2.5lbs is a bit much. Personally, I'd do only 0.5lb each. you can go higher if you want, but I wouldnt go over 1.5lbs total.

I'm not sure if its a typo or not, but I'd add all of the honey at the end of the boil. In either case, nearly all the flavor/aroma will be lost during fermentation, but boiling it will decrease the chances of any lasting.
Thanks for the advice. I saw a recipe online where they put the Honey in at the boil so I figured maybe that would give it some flavor. I also wanted to get some aroma in there at the end, but if boil the honey would be pointless I won't do it. Thanks. Everything else look O.K.?
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dont quote me on this, cuz im not sure if anyone has actually done it, but I believe if you caramelized the honey, you would be able to get the flavor to last. caramelized sugar isn't as fermentable so it should leave more flavor behind

the rest looks ok to me, and it should be ok but if you're searching for honey aroma in this, I think I'd keep any hops from flameout to prevent the chance of masking it

also, you're technically doing a mini-mash because wheat needs to be mashed to extract its sugar. its essentially the same as a steep, but a little longer and in less water. steep all the grains loosely in a bag as usual, but cut the amount of water to about 1gallon and hold it @150-160 for about an hour. remove the grains, rinse them if you want, then go about the rest as usual

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Default less crystal, add honey post boil

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I'd at least half the crystal malt, 2.5lbs is a bit much. Personally, I'd do only 0.5lb each. you can go higher if you want, but I wouldnt go over 1.5lbs total.
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Also, I use honey frequently in some of my beers, and I also make mead. Adding the honey after the boil is over is much better IMHO. I always add mine during the chill-down.. around 120-F, which helps it dissolve well & retain good flavor & aromatics.


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Yup. I've added honey at flameout. Then give the beer time to age. Lots of time. It'll be worth it.

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just made my own honey apa as my first recipe. I used 1 lb at 10 minutes. Didn't get much flavor cause honey ferments out, but it deff gave it a drier finish and mellowed out the hops(although just had one last night and its starting to get really hoppy),

Deff let it ferment for at least 3 weeks cause it takes longer to ferment the honey.

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What if you add the honey with ~75% fermentation complete? I guess it'd be hard to anticipate how much fill ferment out or you think the yeast would go through it all?

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I've heard I should add the honey at flame out, but I've also heard adding it after fermentation is almost complete will retain more flavor. Anyone know which I should try?

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Add it at flameout. The wort is warm enough to get the thick honey to liquefy a bit to get it to all blend together.

And, seriously, if you can hold onto at least one six-pack for about a year, you will be amazed at how it tastes. You'll be disappointed that you drank the rest so early.

Sooooo many threads on here about how using honey will dry out the beer or you won't be able to taste the honey blah, blah, blah. I wish I could give all those people a sample of the beer I made with 2 or 2.5 pounds of honey at flameout. I didn't really care for it, but I couldn't bring myself to dump it. So it sat. For a little over a year. When I finally opened one and was about to start dumping, I noticed a pretty good aroma. So I poured some in a glass. OMG!! Our club had a mead demonstration about a week prior to that, and this beer would have fit in perfectly as perhaps an example of a braggot. I ended up taking that beer to the next beer club meeting to share because it turned out soooo good. BUT IT NEEDED TIME.

Moral of the story: Add the honey at flameout. Ferment as usual. Bottle as usual. Make sure to save a six-pack for at least a year. You will be amazed.

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