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Old 02-03-2009, 04:32 AM   #11
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Doesn't the OP's "" suggest he is happy with this development?
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Old 02-03-2009, 04:46 AM   #12
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I get a $4-$5 pint at Toronado in SF, not bad when you consider the markup of someone serving you. We're lucky out in Cali, ain't we, Heinz57?

McKBrew - I highly suggest trying it. Not that it's anything really spectactular ... it's just a damn solid IPA.

Forrest - I don't mean any dissrespect, because I work in Finance and understand pricing strategy when demand is high and [hop] supply is low, but $112.99 is pretty damn steep!

At some point, businesses have to start thinking about the consumers. Why do companies continue to feel it's right to maintain their profit margins over providing pricing stability for their customers? The oil industry just gave us the Dirty Sanchez while posting record profits. I can't wait till a company grabs some sack and sets the precedent of giving a crap about the little man.

Sorry, the Green Flash Imperial IPA got me all riled up! =P

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Old 02-03-2009, 05:06 AM   #13
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Forrest is in business to make money, not to provide "pricing stability".

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Old 02-03-2009, 05:07 AM   #14
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At some point, businesses have to start thinking about the consumers. Why do companies continue to feel it's right to maintain their profit margins over providing pricing stability for their customers? The oil industry just gave us the Dirty Sanchez while posting record profits. I can't wait till a company grabs some sack and sets the precedent of giving a crap about the little man.

Sorry, the Green Flash Imperial IPA got me all riled up! =P
Your kidding right?
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Old 02-03-2009, 05:59 AM   #15
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Remove all the options and go unmilled all-grain and it's $101.70

I'm sure a ton of the price has to be the hop bill. And as said above, the price is cheaper than buying 5 gallons of it. I don't want to put this thread in the dreaded debate forum, but Forrest is in it to make a profit so he can stay in business. The going rate for hops is what, $40 a pound or more on the homebrew scale? From the recipes that I've heard for Pliny, a pound of hops is about right. Now add in enough malt for a huge beer, and the convenience of having it all packaged and I can see why it's that expensive.

If you want to save yourself a couple bucks, search the Pliny recipe, it's out there. You can get all the ingredients yourself and make it.

If Forrest finds that nobody orders the kit, he'll either lower the price or discontinue it.

I wish people would "grab some sack" and open their wallet and pay for stuff, beer, cheese, cars, flat-screen TVs, gas, whatever. If the price is too high, save up, go without, or find another option.

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I buy my hops in bulk, the Maharaja clone I did 10 gallons of cost $130 to make which works out to $65 for 5 gallons. I used *HALF* the hops you would in the Pliny. I doubt I could brew 5 gallons of Pliny clone for under $90 even if I had all the hops on hand...

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There is a PtE clone recipe in the Best of BYO issue with 150 clone recipes.

~14lb of grains
~17oz of hops

Hops prices seem pretty steep @ AHS.

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I get a $4-$5 pint at Toronado in SF, not bad when you consider the markup of someone serving you. We're lucky out in Cali, ain't we, Heinz57?

McKBrew - I highly suggest trying it. Not that it's anything really spectactular ... it's just a damn solid IPA.

Forrest - I don't mean any dissrespect, because I work in Finance and understand pricing strategy when demand is high and [hop] supply is low, but $112.99 is pretty damn steep!

At some point, businesses have to start thinking about the consumers. Why do companies continue to feel it's right to maintain their profit margins over providing pricing stability for their customers? The oil industry just gave us the Dirty Sanchez while posting record profits. I can't wait till a company grabs some sack and sets the precedent of giving a crap about the little man.

Sorry, the Green Flash Imperial IPA got me all riled up! =P
Actually, we have lowered the margin we make on hops. The kit is based on the retail of the ingredients. There are places that sell hops below my cost. There is not much I can do about that.

I do give a crap about the little man. If I didn't I wouldn't be on this forum giving exclusive deals and first word on specials. I even gave away a 42 gal conical fermenter in a contest only open to HBT members. My sack is currently grabbed.

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