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Old 06-07-2012, 04:23 PM   #261
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Was just re-reading recently and I forgot that the dwarves ask for ales and porters when they assemble at Bilbo's home for the adventure. Has me wanting to make a porter now, even though it's summer...

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Old 06-07-2012, 05:10 PM   #262
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You could look for hints in the food they ate. I don't remember specifics, but I believe there are details of Bilbo's going-away feast- food is probably mentioned. It might give some idea of tastes they liked- was their food spicy, sour, sweet, etc?

They would almost certainly have added seasonal fruits, herbs, veggies, maybe even some of whatever they put in their pipes...

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More than likely the ale and porter that Tolkien put into his stories were meant to duplicate the beers that Tolkien himself drank in England at that time. He was quite fond of hanging out with his buds to discuss writing. I'm sure they had a few glasses to go along with their pipes. He was known to be addicted to his pipe and has mentioned hating the habit.

At any rate, you can bet that Hobbit brew was the finest sort of ale you can imagine. Only the finest ingredients and loved throughout the land. I'm betting the Dwarves loved their dark beer, the Elves had something like a golden strong ale when they were not drinking wine, and Hobbits had Pale Ale and for special occasions, IPA (But they called them EPA, since they were more highly hopped to survive the long journey to Esgaroth.)

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Old 06-07-2012, 08:34 PM   #264
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(But they called them EPA, since they were more highly hopped to survive the long journey to Esgaroth.)
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Old 06-08-2012, 02:36 AM   #265
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It's got to be strong, given the nature of hobbits. It's got to be of big body and it's got to finish sweet I would think. A strong mild(gayles festival mild) of an old ale I woulod think, with herbs.

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I am so ashamed... I'm only finding this thread now. I don't have much to add that has not been already said, but I have to say that I agree that the basic ale of the Shire would have to be a Mild. But other options would be there, especially for special occasions. Some kind of bitter, porter, and strong ale (barleywine or even something like a Scotch Ale) would have been available. The Shire and Hobbit culture was all about early 20th century English country life (even though the mythology would place it millennia earlier). Plan your ales accordingly...

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Here's a name suggestion: Sharkey's Delight. Referring to how Sauramon delighted in pipe weed and ale from the shire, yet thought very little of the hobbits and their power. In the same way, you'll delight in the beer only to be smacked in the face a little later by all the boozeahol.

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I know that others disagree, but the fact that dwarves call for stout (an ale) and ale (an.......ale) separately makes me think Tolkien was not very knowledgeable. There was a bitter or brown or something at his local pub called "the ale" for short and he thought ale to be a specific style.

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I feel like terminology was probably just different then. People around the pubs he was hanging out at must have used the same terminology I would figure. And just to be nitpicky, it's ale and porter It made sense to me when I read it, ale to me probably just means pale ale, or perhaps mild or brown.

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I know that others disagree, but the fact that dwarves call for stout (an ale) and ale (an.......ale) separately makes me think Tolkien was not very knowledgeable. There was a bitter or brown or something at his local pub called "the ale" for short and he thought ale to be a specific style.
Interesting point. Makes me think of back before I knew anything about beer, I used to go into bars and simply ask for "lager." I mainly drank Yuengling, and I knew that was lager. But beyond that, I had no idea the difference between lager and ale, or that there were different types of either.

In fact, I remember a time when the term "ale" seemed old fashioned to me, and something I didn't think anyone drank anymore.
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