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Old 12-08-2009, 06:31 PM   #1
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Default Help Me Make an "ORDINARY" APA not Bitter

Alright, I'd like to make an ordinary APA. I know that I want it to be American malts and cascades. I'm thinking about basing it off of Jamils ordinary bitter recipe found here http://beerdujour.com/Recipes/Jamil/...naryBitter.htm.

This is what I have so far.

6 lbs pale 2 row
8 oz crystal 120
4 oz Amber malt
Nottingham

1 oz. Cascade 60 minutes
0.50 oz. Cascade 30 minutes
0.50 oz. Cascade 1 minute
0.25 oz. Cascade dry hop


Any suggestions would be great.

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Old 12-08-2009, 06:41 PM   #2
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Are you trying to stay in the style guidelines of an ordinary, but with American malt and hops? Because your looking at about 3.1%ABV and an OG of about 1.032 which is far too low for an APA and an even an ordinary. Unless you are shooting for higher than 75% efficiency, I'd say you need to up the 2 row. The C120 will also give you a dried fruit thing going on. I'm not sure if you like that, but I avoid that high of crystal for my pales. I prefer the 40-60 range caramel notes.

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Are you trying to stay in the style guidelines of an ordinary, but with American malt and hops? Because your looking at about 3.1%ABV and an OG of about 1.032 which is far too low for an APA and an even an ordinary. Unless you are shooting for higher than 75% efficiency, I'd say you need to up the 2 row. The C120 will also give you a dried fruit thing going on. I'm not sure if you like that, but I avoid that high of crystal for my pales. I prefer the 40-60 range caramel notes.

Well, I really like the low abv, but complex stuff that an ordinary bitter has going on. So to answer you question yes, I'm trying to use American grains/hops, but in the guidelines of a ordinary bitter. What would you recommend?
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I'm not exactly clear on what you are after here. Do you want it to be less hop forward and have a maltier base than a normal APA? Your hop schedule is all kinda late to be bitter based.

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Well, I really like the low abv, but complex stuff that an ordinary bitter has going on. So to answer you question yes, I'm trying to use American grains/hops, but in the guidelines of a ordinary bitter. What would you recommend?
Well, to go with what your after here, I'd still up the 2 row by a pound and add 6oz of biscuit or victory. This does two things: 1. The increased malt will help balance out the stronger cascade (since your hop schedule is derived from EKG in the original recipe) 2. The victory adds a similar quality that your after in the British 2-row while still using american malts.

I've heard that many U.S. brewers U.S. brewers use small amounts of victory to English style ales to achieve a similar effect of British 2-row without the increased cost.
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I concur. I wouldn't go below OG 1035 with this one, and you do need a bit more malt backbone to get round the more assertive American hops.

I'd choose a grist not unlike what you started with. Definitely swap 60L Crystal/caramel for the 120L; that much 120L will overpower the beer. Swap Victory for the Amber.

I also urge you to use a distinctively American yeast for this. Nottingham, while "clean", should be eschewed in favor of S-05, Wyeast 1056, WL001 or WL051 (if you want a slightly more assertive ester profile).

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I concur. I wouldn't go below OG 1035 with this one, and you do need a bit more malt backbone to get round the more assertive American hops.

I'd choose a grist not unlike what you started with. Definitely swap 60L Crystal/caramel for the 120L; that much 120L will overpower the beer. Swap Victory for the Amber.

I also urge you to use a distinctively American yeast for this. Nottingham, while "clean", should be eschewed in favor of S-05, Wyeast 1056, WL001 or WL051 (if you want a slightly more assertive ester profile).

Cheers!

Bob
Yeah, I may try S-05 being I'm a huge fan of dry "cheap" yeast. Hmm, I'm going to revise this recipe tomorrow and get back to you guys. My ultimate goal is to have a beer that I can drink a 6 pack of on Sundays while watching tv and not feel like an alcoholic at the end of the day.
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Old 12-13-2009, 05:53 PM   #8
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Here's one I made about six weeks ago.

Amount Item Type % or IBU
6.00 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 80.00 %
0.50 lb Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Grain 6.67 %
0.50 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (40.0 SRM) Grain 6.67 %
0.50 lb Wheat Malt, Ger (2.0 SRM) Grain 6.67 %
0.75 oz Centennial [8.30 %] (60 min) Hops 21.5 IBU
0.50 oz Centennial [8.30 %] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops -
0.75 oz Centennial [8.30 %] (60 min) (Mash Hop) Hops 4.3 IBU
0.50 oz Centennial [8.30 %] (5 min) Hops 2.9 IBU
1 Pkgs SafAle English Ale (DCL Yeast #S-04) Yeast-Ale

70% Eff. - OG 1.034 - FG 1.009 - ABV 3.3% - IBU 28.7 - Mashed at 154 F.
Set it and forget it carbed to about 2.5 vol.
I ended up w/ 73% Eff and 3.5% ABV.

Pretty good after about 3 wks in a keg. Smooth malt flavor, no bitter bite, with some mild hop flavor in the background.

Next time i make this I'll probably remove the carapils and up the base malt by a 1/2 lb and bump the IBUs to 33 and bump the dry hop to one once.

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Also the AA's of the hops would be nice or even if we have the HBU's you are aiming for.

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5.4 IBU cascade pellets. Thanks for your help guys.

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