climateboy

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Hey, all.

So, I've gotten two excellent-looking recipes for Bell's Two Hearted Ale from HBT members. One is a straight extract brew, the other is a mini-mash. I'm not set up for all-grain yet, so those are my limits.

Please help me choose between them, and thanks! Oh, and for the yeast, I'll be harvesting Bell's yeast from their bottles.

Here's one from member s3n8:


<<Two Hearted Ale clone
Brew Type: Extract
Style: American IPA
Batch Size: 5.00 gal
Boil Volume: 6.34 gal
Boil Time: 60 min

Ingredients Amount Item Type % or IBU
7.00 lb Amber Dry Extract (12.5 SRM) Dry Extract 74.6 %
0.50 lb Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Grain 5.3 %
0.50 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 20L (20.0 SRM) Grain 5.3 %
0.50 lb Munich Malt (9.0 SRM) Grain 5.3 %
1.50 oz Centennial [10.00%] (60 min) Hops 49.0 IBU
1.00 oz Centennial [10.00%] (15 min) Hops 16.2 IBU
0.50 oz Centennial [10.00%] (5 min) Hops 3.3 IBU
1.00 oz Centennial [10.00%] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops -
0.88 lb Corn Sugar (Dextrose) (0.0 SRM) Sugar 9.4 %

Estimated Original Gravity: 1.071 SG (1.056-1.075 SG)
Measured Original Gravity: 1.076 SG
Estimated Final Gravity: 1.018 SG (1.010-1.018 SG)
Measured Final Gravity: 1.016 SG>>




and here's a partial mash recipe from the estimable and ubiquitous YooperBrew:

<<2 pounds vienna malt
.5 pounds crystal 10
.33 pounds carapils
1 pound 2-row.
4.5 pounds DME

.5 ounce Centennial (11%) 60 mins
.5 ounce Centennial (11%) 45 mins
.5 ounce Centennial (11%) 30 mins
.5 ounce Centennial (11%) 15 mins
.33 ounce Centennial 0 mins
.33 ounce Centennial dry hop

Steep (mash) grains at 152 for 45 minutes. Add water to bring up to boil volume, and add extract.

This is a PM recipe, but it's easy to do in a grain bag. Steep those grains as directed, in 1.2 gallons of water, and then sparge (rinse) with 170 degree water by lifting up the grain bag and pouring the sparge water over it. (Or, follow DeathBrewer's tutorial).>>

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Both of them look pretty good. I like the idea of the corn sugar to help dry things out. I would lean toward YooperBrew's hop bill and s3n8's grain bill myself.

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Personally I'd go the opposite direction, Yooperbrew's grain bill and s3n8's hop schedule. I think Two Hearted has a simple and light grain profile and and the bigger late hop additions of s3n8's recipe will give you that big Centennial flavor and aroma you want in Two Hearted.

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Having tasted the results of my grain and hop bill I agree, but IMO I think Yoopers hop bill seems a little light for 2HA.

My grain bill will get you a higher gravity than the real 2HA. Likewise, it might also probably be a little higher IBU than the original. My recipe came from an AHS kit that was modified a bit to suit my tastes. I like higher gravity and higher IBU brews. Yoopers is probably a little closer to the original (1.055 OG and 50 IBU by my calcs), but I like mine more. If you are looking for a true clone, go for Yoopers. If you like a a little heavier brew with a little more bitterness, go mine. If you are adventurous, take the good points from both, and make your own recipe.

s3n8

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Digging around on bells site tells me 2HA OG is 1.058, but they do not have any info on the IBUs. The Northern Brewer clone kit is 1.064 and about 60 IBUs.

YooperBrew

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It's not MY recipe- I found it somewhere online. I think I posted the source in the original thread. Not that I'm disclaiming that it may be a good recipe- but I've never personally tried it.

I do love Two Hearted, though, and will make one by spring. I do agree that it's pretty hoppy, and the hops should be increased. I'd hop with the first schedule, looking at them side by side.

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Here's another PM recipe for you (I plan to do it AG next time) (see my recipe in my recipe dropdown for more details). Note that I use BOTH munich and vienna malts:

Recipe Type: Partial Mash
Yeast: Safale US-05
Yeast Starter: no
Additional Yeast or Yeast Starter: no
Batch Size (Gallons): 11
Original Gravity: 1.056
Final Gravity: 1.012
Boiling Time (Minutes): 60
IBU: 49
Color: 4.7 SRM
Primary Fermentation (# of Days & Temp): 3 weeks at 65F
Tasting Notes: Was cloudier than Bell's Two Hearted Ale (edit: but has since cleared up).

My clone of Bell's Two Hearted Ale.

Brewed 8/23/08

12 lbs. Briess Pilsen DME (i.e. extra-light)

1 lb. 2-row
2 lbs. vienna
2 lbs. munich
1 lb. crystal 10L
1 lb. carapils
1 lb. wheat

Partial mash @ 152F for 60 mins.

Centennial: whole leaf @ unknown %AA (assumed 9%)
2 oz. @ 60 min.
1 oz @ 15 min.
1 oz. @ 10 min.
1 oz. @ 5 min.
2 oz. @ 0 min.
2 oz. dry hop in primary

I will leave out the wheat for future brews of this recipe.

I have a glass of this almost every night, quite tasty!

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climateboy

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You're right, Yooper. I forgot to put that in. It's from BYO's Clone Brews, I believe.

And Baron, thanks so much. I'd be making a 5.5 gallon batch, so if I tried yours, I suppose I could just halve it?

The following is also an excerpt from an interesting post from a blogger who had a conversation with Bells about cloning Two-Hearted:

<<Bell’s was very helpful and offered some tips. Perhaps the wisest words were that Two Hearted is really an exercise in balance and there’s no need to make it more complex than it is. They confirmed the widely known Centennial hops, and said the malt is US 2-row and and some light caramel malt. They also suggested to use a different beer to harvest Bell’s yeast. THA is pretty high alcohol and that I could get a better starter from a smaller beer.>>


The full post can be found here.



I think the advice to use Yooper's grain bill and s3n8's (l33t for senate, perhaps? A brewing Senator?) hop schedule is a good one. This has turned into a housemate-appeasing batch (I asked what their favorite beer was), so I want to make it as close to the original as possible. This will be my first partial-mash, and I think this beer is a good candidate for it, because the added complexity the mashed grains will impart (I hope) will be necessary for offsetting all those IBUs.

Another question...I have some centennial on hand but it's all 8.5 AA. Should I calculate and buy more to hit the IBU target, or not sweat the extra 1.5% on each oz?

Thanks so much everyone...


CB

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Too much crystal (I hate when people say that on this forum) but its true. Also too much munich and vienna, this beer has big hops because there is not much balance with the malt.


I have to agree with Iechyd Da on this.