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Old 10-13-2009, 04:59 PM   #1
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Default Help converting from extract to all grain

I got the extract malt bill below for a clone recipe that I would like to brew and need some help converting it to an all grain recipe. I tried doing it in Beersmith but couldn't find the extracts that he has in his recipe. I would really appreciate some help in making the conversion. Thanks.


4 lbs 6 ounces Briess Pilsen Light LME 1L

4 lbs 6 ounces Briess Brewers Gold LME 8L

1 lb Cara-pils, cracked

10 ounces Crystal Malt 40L, cracked

5 ounces toasted barley, cracked

OG: about 1.060 = about 6% ABV

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Old 10-13-2009, 05:05 PM   #2
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Here's something I posted earlier.

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f37/1-lb...ormula-135373/

In another post I also listed the 1 lb grain = .75 lb LME = .6 lb DME listing to 10 pounds.

I'm at work right now so I can't help yo uany more than this at the moment.

Email and I'll send you more charts that I made up.

homebrewer_99@yahoo.com

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Old 10-13-2009, 05:09 PM   #3
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For the pilsen LME, I'd use pilsner malt.

For the "gold", I'd use regular 2-row.

The amounts would be whatever your efficiency is, to meet your OG. HB99's rule of thumb would be a good place to start.

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Old 10-14-2009, 01:44 AM   #4
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Here's something you can cut and paste into a word chart for your library:

POUNDS OF:
GRAIN = LIQUID = DRY

1.00 = 0.75 = 0.60
1.50 = 1.13 = 0.90
2.00 = 1.50 = 1.20
2.50 = 1.88 = 1.50
3.00 = 2.25 = 1.80
3.50 = 2.63 = 2.10
4.00 = 3.00 = 2.40
4.50 = 3.38 = 2.70
5.00 = 3.75 = 3.00
5.50 = 4.13 = 3.30
6.00 = 4.50 = 3.60
6.50 = 4.88 = 3.90
7.00 = 5.25 = 4.20
7.50 = 5.63 = 4.50
8.00 = 6.00 = 4.80
8.50 = 6.38 = 5.10
9.00 = 6.75 = 5.40
9.50 = 7.13 = 5.70
10.00 = 7.50 = 6.00



DECIMAL TO OUNCES

0.05 = 0.80
0.10 = 1.60
0.15 = 2.40
0.20 = 3.20
0.25 = 4.00
0.30 = 4.80
0.35 = 5.60
0.40 = 6.40
0.45 = 7.20
0.50 = 8.00
0.55 = 8.80
0.60 = 9.60
6.50 = 10.40
0.70 = 11.20
0.75 = 12.00
0.80 = 12.80
0.85 = 13.60
0.90 = 14.40
0.95 = 15.20
1.00 = 16.00

Per your input:

4 lbs LME would equal about 5.4 lbs of grain. The .4 would be about 6 1/2 oz, so 5 lbs, 6.5 oz.

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Old 10-14-2009, 03:03 PM   #5
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Great chart 99. I've copied and pasted also

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Note: Briess extracts contain a proportion of CaraPils as well as base malt. They don't reveal the exact proportion, however.

Briess Gold is their 2-row Pale Malt and CaraPils. Pilsner is, er, Pilsner and CaraPils.

Really, if you add another pound of CaraPils to the extract, that's waaaaaaaaay too much Crystal-type malt. Even if the extract had none, it's over 15%. That runs the risk of being really cloying, thick and sweet.

Have you had this beer? What's it supposed to clone? Did you like it?

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Really, if you add another pound of CaraPils to the extract, that's waaaaaaaaay too much Crystal-type malt. Even if the extract had none, it's over 15%. That runs the risk of being really cloying, thick and sweet.

Have you had this beer? What's it supposed to clone? Did you like it?

Bob

I had the same thought on the CaraPils. I read somewhere that 5% was the max to put in a batch. The clone recipe is for a Big Sky IPA. I think I'll keep experimenting with different IPA's and APA's until I find a malt bill that's similar to the Big Sky IPA and then try someting similar to his hop schedule below.

1¼ ounce Simcoe leaf hops, 12.6 alpha (boil)

1 ounce domestic Goldings leaf hops (flavor; 15 min. remaining)

1 ounce Simcoe leaf hops, 12.6 alpha (flavor; 5 min. remaining)

⅜ ounce Simcoe leaf hops, 12.6 (dry hop)
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Here's something you can cut and paste into a word chart for your library:
Nice chart, but what mash/lauter efficiency is this based on?
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It's based on weight only...

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It's based on weight only...

That's too bad, because grain mashing efficiencies can range from 65% to 85% or more. With the extract, the amount of sugar you get is fixed. So there IS some explicit extraction grain extraction assumption in the chart to match the extract sugar concentration. But not knowing what it is can make a pretty big difference. I suppose it's most likely 70-75%, but who knows!
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