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Old 06-22-2014, 01:56 PM   #91
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I know your comment wasn't aimed at me directly, but I feel I should reply. Personally, I REALLY like the typical amarillo characteristics, it's the 2013 batch from Hops Direct that doesn't cut the mustard. I'm not trying to "talk trash" about amarillo, just confirm what many others have experienced with a single crop year (or partial crop year maybe).

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Old 06-22-2014, 07:12 PM   #92
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Definitely not aimed at you as I hadn't actually read the last few posts. When I said, 'asked about this' I meant I asked him about the bad press this year's harvest was getting.

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Old 06-24-2014, 02:23 PM   #93
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Well, I put an all-2013-Amarillo beer in the Birofilia competition and I got isovaleric acid marked as a brewing fault. Doing a google brings up this info on isovaleric acid:

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Description: Blue cheese, “funky,” sweaty (AF).
Cause: Hops – old hops.
Feedback: Only use fresh, properly-stored hops. Store hops in the freezer in vacuum-sealed or CO2-filled sealed containers.
Notes: Isovaleric acid. Formed due to oxidation of hop bittering compounds. Has a very distinct, usually low-level, “Roquefort cheese” or “Ranch dressing” aroma and/or flavor.
The hops were vacuum sealed and stored in a freezer, so I'm not sure if the fault was on my side. I'm not sure if these descriptors really match my reaction to tasting the beer, but I can say that I'm a bit let down by the quality.
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I brewed a DIPA and an APA using my 2013 pellet Amarillo and both came out with a fairly heavy onion/garlic aroma and flavor. I get the same aroma from the pellets themselves. The hops were purchased from Farmhouse and kept vacuum sealed in a deep freeze at all times. Pretty disappointing, I'm going to have to dump the Pale (the DIPA was brewed and dumped about a month ago, I thought it was infection) and throw away the remaining 10 ounces of Amarillo. Makes me wary of buying next year's crop. Maybe I'll open and do a sniff test immediately and send them back if they're bad.

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That's really odd that you got the onion garlic from the Amarillo. I got mine from farmhouse as well and would not describe any of my beers using that Amarillo as onion or garlic. A tiny bit grassy for sure, but it isn't overbearing enough to dump.
Was Amarillo the only hop in both beers? Or any other constants?

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Didn't see that reply until just now. Other hop in common is Citra, but the Amarillo hops themselves definitely have a strong smell to them of the onion and garlic. I've used the same Citra in other recipes without incident. Got a reply from Farmhouse that they had a single shipment from Hop Union with that characteristic and from that point they carefully monitored what they were receiving.

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Interesting. Just cracked my version of the zombie dust clone that had all Farmhouse hops where I did not have enough Citra so for the dry hops I did 1 oz Citra and Amarillo. After a week in the bottle it's all onion too. So I guess it could be either after all. I had not got the onion from the other Amarillo or Citra beers I've made.

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Old 07-15-2014, 02:26 AM   #98
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I was very worried about my amarillo hops after this thread. Rocked out a MO/Amarillo smash with a pretty insane amount of amarillo along with a hop tea. just cracked it and its excellent. No issues what so ever.

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