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Old 11-27-2007, 04:52 PM   #1
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Default Good first lager make all grain

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I was looing for a nice lager to make. I was thinking somehthing with good malt and hop balance. I want it to be enjoyed by all, with more hop flavor and aroma and light on the bitterness. I have a all grain set up but I am only doing single mash nothing fancy yet. Any thoughts? I was leaning towards a Sazz city euro type pilsner..I was looking to take advantage of my 40 to 50 temp garage for a few months than get something to lager later.

Help would be great!! I want the beer to be a good pilsner with mouth feel but still light.

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I think you hit it out on your first try. A Bohemian Pilsner is a good beer that matches what you mentioned. California Commons and Dusseldorf Alts fit your wish list pretty well, too, and you can beef up the hop flavor in either of those nicely.


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Old 11-28-2007, 03:21 AM   #3
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Ok Im changing my mind a bit to a light blond ale...

I was thinking 6# 2 row
4# wheat
1#cara
.5 10 L
cascade all the way .75 at 45 .75 at 30 .75 at 5min and .75 dh

american ale yeast

Not sure about cascade for a blond ale..should work well.

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This is a bit more than a light blond ale but I want a bit more mouth feel..like a cream ale a bit more..what do u think?

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I wouldn't call that a "light" or "blonde," as you come in with an OG of around 1.060, the hops to match, a heavy dose of wheat, substantial hop flavor, and significant dry hopping. It sounds like a mighty fine beer to me, though, and I bet I could hang around and drink that stuff all day.


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Ok Im changing my mind a bit to a light blond ale...

I was thinking 6# 2 row
4# wheat
1#cara
.5 10 L
cascade all the way .75 at 45 .75 at 30 .75 at 5min and .75 dh

american ale yeast

Not sure about cascade for a blond ale..should work well.

Jay

This is a bit more than a light blond ale but I want a bit more mouth feel..like a cream ale a bit more..what do u think?
Couple thoughts...

If you want a cream ale, you need to use corn as an adjunct. Pretty much standard for that recipe.

Cascades - I'm sure they'd be fine in a blonde, although I tend to think of them as being more of an APA-type hop. You could always go that route; drop the wheat to a half-pound (just for head retention), then use Cascade for bitter and flavoring. Maybe use a different character grain (Munich, Vienna, maybe some toasted malt of some kind) to flesh out the background malt. Little crystal malt, and you're there.

If you want more mouth feel, you can also either mash hotter (154°-156°) or use a bit of carapils. Both will add some non-fermentable dextrines.
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This is a bit more than a light blond ale but I want a bit more mouth feel..like a cream ale a bit more..what do u think?
Well, since you started out talking about lagers, why not cold condition it for a few months?
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I thought this was a bit high, but I have been hitting only 60 to 65% with my system, so my bill is up a bit. I was figuring it would come in a bit closer to 1.05. I do agree about the corn.. I have not used this much in the past..I was going to remove the dry hop and stick the all cascades. I have heard it makes a nice blond ale...What do you think about 2 and 2 with corn and wheat? I will probably maybe go 5# 2 row, 2# wheat and 1# corn..plus cara pils and a bit of 10L crystal..

what u think?

I have to plug it in and see where I am at..Im shooting for 5 to 4 srm and 1.04 to 1.05 is on the OG. If I was hitting 75% than I will bring it down a bit.

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Bock is a lager, and it's the perfect time of year for it. Ok, maybe a month early, but close enough. Yummy!

I know, i know, you want something lighter.........

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Man i can't wait until I step up to a bock..I love them but I think I need to perfect my all grain a bit before I play with one of these. I used to not be a fan but I started drinking bock and some bouble bock's..man so much complex flavors going to..they are great!!

I think a nice blond ale or cream ale will work, I really want to go on the stronger side of this recipe..I have some strong ales and stouts and pale ales and want something light and good for all..easy drinking but with more flavor and body than a lager or kolsch style...

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May I suggest an Oktoberfest style of beer:

80% Pilsner Malt
20% Munich Malt

One hop addition of Halletauer or Tettnanger (if you can find it) at 60 min to get to 20-24 IBU.

Doesn't get simpler than that.

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