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Old 03-29-2012, 07:34 PM   #51
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Hmm..we've been questioning the Citra. What made you go that route?
I wasn't specifically trying to clone All Day, but I wanted a beer with the same characteristics, good hop aroma without overwhelming bitterness, low to mid 40's IBU/OG, and high alpha newer american varieties which are my favorite. Essentially, a tasty "Session IPA." I've never brewed with Citra and wanted to give it a try. Once someone establishes a good All Day clone though I am sure I will give it a shot.
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Old 03-29-2012, 08:24 PM   #52
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It will be a few weeks until I brew again. Anyone want to take on the updated version?

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Old 03-30-2012, 12:01 AM   #53
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I wasn't specifically trying to clone All Day, but I wanted a beer with the same characteristics, good hop aroma without overwhelming bitterness, low to mid 40's IBU/OG, and high alpha newer american varieties which are my favorite. Essentially, a tasty "Session IPA." I've never brewed with Citra and wanted to give it a try. Once someone establishes a good All Day clone though I am sure I will give it a shot.
you'll have to let us know how your beer turns out. can you post the recipe on this thread too?
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Old 03-30-2012, 02:31 AM   #54
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you'll have to let us know how your beer turns out. can you post the recipe on this thread too?
Sure, here it is.

A few notes. First, I think I mistakenly said I already started dry hopping. I actually just transferred it tonight. Hydro sample tasted very nice, good citrus flavor already, exactly what I was going for. Second, it'll be 4-5 weeks before this one will be ready, between dry hopping and bottle conditioning.

A few changes I would make when I brew this again.

1. To get closer to the profile of All Day, I'd move the Simcoe 30 min addition to 45, and choose another hop addition for 15-20. I'll probably going with something mid-alpha, likely Ahtanum or Cascade, maybe even more Amarillo. That should get this closer to 42-45 IBU's. I had originally planned on this being more bitter, but this was my first all grain brew and my efficiency was on the high end of what I expected, so I eased up on the hops just a bit.

2. I think I might try replacing 2-4oz of the Carapils with a like amount of honey malt. I'd like to experiment with it and think it might go well with this recipe, though if you wanted a bit of a bite, you could replace this with rye instead. That's totally up to personal preference though. US-05 attenuates very well (82% for me this time), so I'm not worried about too much residual sweetness.

For those looking for an extract version, I believe subbing 3.25lb of Pilsen Light DME and 1.75lb of Golden Light DME should work for the base grains. Steep the C40 and Carapils for 30.


Recipe: Doubleheader Session Ale
Brewer: Nick
Asst Brewer:
Style: American Pale Ale
TYPE: All Grain

Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 6.72 gal
Post Boil Volume: 5.72 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.25 gal
Bottling Volume: 5.00 gal
Estimated OG: 1.045 SG
Estimated Color: 4.6 SRM
Estimated IBU: 34.3 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 73.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 76.5 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
5 lbs 4.0 oz Briess 2 Row Brewers Malt (1.8 SRM) 60.0 %
2 lbs 12.0 oz Pale Malt, Maris Otter (3.0 SRM) 31.4 %
8.0 oz Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) 5.7 %
4.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (40.0 SRM) 2.9 %
0.50 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] - Boil 30.0 min 19.4 IBUs
0.50 oz Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Boil 10.0 min 6.0 IBUs
0.50 oz Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Boil 5.0 min 3.3 IBUs
0.50 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min 4.6 IBUs
0.50 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 1.0 min 1.0 IBUs

1.0 pkg Safale American (DCL/Fermentis #US-05)

1.00 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Dry Hop 14.0 Days
0.50 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] - Dry Hop 14.0 Days


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Light Body
Total Grain Weight: 8 lbs 12.0 oz
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Name Description Step Temperat Step Time
Mash In Add 11.54 qt of water at 163.6 F 152.0 F 60 min
Mash Out Add 7.00 qt of water at 198.0 F 168.0 F 10 min

Sparge: Batch sparge with 3 steps (Drain mash tun, , 3.02gal, 0.27gal) of 168.0 F water
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Old 03-30-2012, 02:59 AM   #55
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Nice thanks for the feedback on your clone. Did you do a side by side? I am curious too if it is Amarillo or Citra because I am not familiar with citra. Here is what I think the malt bill should roughly be:

8 lbs 2 row
0.5 lbs munich 20
1 or 1.5 lbs of rye

I have switched to Munich for my pales and IPA and have been brewing with it a lot lately. I think that it creates a crisper / dryer malt background that helps accentuate hop flavors better than crystal.

There isn't much head retention on All day so I think the malt bill is pretty thin. Having such a low ABV allows less body to cover the ethanol flavor. The color is also quite light so that is why I think it could be Munich instead of crystal.

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Old 03-30-2012, 07:03 PM   #56
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It will be 4-5 weeks before the dry hopping is done, so I won't know till then. Like I said earlier I'm not aiming to clone All Day, just brew something nice and hoppy that had similarities, so it won't bother me if the flavor is different.

As far as your ratio of Rye, I think that's probably high. Red's Rye from Founders only uses about 10% rye in the grain bill (direct from Founders per another thread), so I'd be pretty surprised if there was that much in All Day. I have not brewed with it yet, but I've heard a little rye goes a long way.

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Old 03-30-2012, 07:05 PM   #57
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Correction: 4-5 weeks before dry hopping and bottle conditioning are done.

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Old 03-31-2012, 03:01 AM   #58
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You could be right on the rye. I almost always throw a pound into my IPAs but they are usually pretty big brews and not as light as the target All Day bill. 1 lb might come through a bit more in the lighter beer than what it does in my heavier IPA bill.

I have a top secret batch that I half tailored to be an All Day Clone so I want to share it because I am doing a side by side right now and they are fairly close.

My Extract APA - 6 gal boil
Malts------------
6lbs Pilsen DME
0.5 lbs Munich 20
0.25 lbs Victory
0.5 lbs red wheat

Hops-----(60 min boil)
10 M - 2.5 oz Chinook whole leaf
10 M - 1 oz Cascade pellets
Dry (in keg) - 2 oz Cascade pellets in mesh bag

Pitched 1056

Target ABV = 4.72%
Target IBU = 42.16

Upon side by side with All Day, mine is lighter in color and more orange where All Day has a browner tint. The body of mine is thicker and a bit sweeter. All Day definitely has a rye spice where mine does not. The All Day malt profile almost tastes a bit oxidized (bottle source) but it is a little more round so I think they are using some caramel in there, hence why it is a bit darker than mine.

The bitterness is spot on in regards to harshness so I think chinook is a good candidate for bittering. The hop flavor is really close as well but I think it is missing that Amarillo tangerine note.

Here is what I want to adjust the next batch to be which will be all grain.

Malt bill ------
8.5 lbs 2row
0.5 lbs Munich 20
0.5 lbs Caramel 10
0.75 lbs Rye

Hops----(60 min boil)
10 M - 2.5 oz Chinook
10 M - 1 oz Cascade
Dry - 2 oz cascade, 1 oz Amarillo

1056 yeast.

I won't have time to re-brew this one any time soon but someone should give this adjustment recipe a go and see how it compares. It should be fairly close.

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Here is a pic. All Day on the left, mine on the right. It is a bit cloudy but is the first few pints from the keg.

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Here is a pic. All Day on the left, mine on the right. It is a bit cloudy but is the first few pints from the keg.
Thanks for posting. Looks great!
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