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SloppyGriffin 01-31-2013 06:06 AM

First All Grain Build- Is it worthy?
So have only done experiments with all extract kits (coopers, morgans,etc) by adding hops or specialty grains or what have you. It has given me good insight into the practice and I think I am ready to attempt an all grain session. I recently did a trial run for an autumn oak ale and am waiting on the results. However, I am inpatient and seeing how i KNOW how I want it to taste I decided to make a pre-brew shopping list for the grain I may want to use. below is the grain build. Any thoughts positive or negative will be appreciated.

Please note that I did not add any hops or adjuncts to the list as I already have that information in my recipe.

Autumn Oak Grain Bill

Crystal 120- 9oz
Peated Malt-4lb
Pale Cholotae Malt-1lb
Smoked Malt-3lbs
Brown Malt-1lb
ESB Pale Malt-3lb

rkbarnes82 01-31-2013 10:51 AM

Your peated/smoked malt seems too high, I think I recall peated malt is to be used in small amounts to avoid your beer turning in to liquid smoke.

PtreeCreekBrew 01-31-2013 01:01 PM

Agree with statement above. I keep smoked malts to about 1% of the grain bill. Lends a nice smoked supporting actor without stealing the spotlight.

SloppyGriffin 01-31-2013 03:13 PM

Hmm so maybe up the brown malt and drop the peated to about 1lb and drop the smoked a bit?

SloppyGriffin 01-31-2013 03:23 PM

Crystal 120- 9oz
Peated Malt-1lb
Pale Chocolate Malt-1lb
Smoked Malt-1lbs
Brown Malt-3.5lb
ESB Pale Malt-5.5lb

PtreeCreekBrew 01-31-2013 04:40 PM


You're still at 16% total for smoked malts (peated is smoked). I think you'd be very disappointed with what you got using that much.

I'm guessing you're going for a wee heavy or big brown ale.

Others will surely have different opinions, but, sticking as close to your original as possible, I'd go with:
8 lb pale (I boosted this a lot because your total diastatic in your recipe was about 44 deg Lintner, which is REALLY close to the lower limit of what you'd want for good conversion)
3.5 lb brown
1 lb pale chocolate
.5 lb c120
.25 lb smoked

SloppyGriffin 01-31-2013 05:36 PM

Hmm. Well is that enough smoked malt? Im going for something like a wee heavy but with a more oaky smoked flavour. If i were to bring the smoked up to 0.3lb or even 0.5lb and split that amount equally into peated and smoked do you think i would be headed for disaster?

PtreeCreekBrew 01-31-2013 05:42 PM

A half lb total would be about 4-5%. It would indeed give you a big smoky flavor, more a primary player than a complexity...it's all about how much of that you want. I once made a smoked oatmeal stout that tasted like breakfast had been made over a campfire...WAY too much, but then, some people like a big smoke flavor.

You could also put it on oak chips/spirals in secondary to help with the depth.

SloppyGriffin 01-31-2013 05:44 PM

I planned on adding whiskey soaked oak chips in secondary. so perhaps I should just stick with the 0.25lb

chri5 02-01-2013 05:51 AM

When it comes to smoked malts, my rule is that less is more.

I like smoke, and especially peat, flavors as a background element in both beer and scotch. People can be turned off by a massive amount of smokiness. I definitely recommend keeping the smoked malt percentage below 5% unless you are okay with some people pouring out your beer.

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