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Old 04-15-2008, 02:20 PM   #1
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Default First AG Recipe... Critique Please

% Weight Weight (lbs) Grain Gravity Points Color
80.0 % 10.00 American Two-row Pale 43.7 3.3
16.0 % 2.00 American Crystal 20L 8.3 7.3
4.0 % 0.50 American Vienna 2.1 0.4
12.50 54.1

% Wt Weight (oz) Hop Form AA% AAU Boil Time Utilization IBU
66.7 % 1.00 Centennial Whole/Plug 10.5 10.5 60 0.247 35.3
33.3 % 0.50 Centennial Whole/Plug 10.5 5.3 10 0.090 6.4
1.50 41.7

7 gallon boil, 5.5 gallon batch

Mash at 155*F for 60 minutes
Batch sparge

It comes out to be an APA, with a slightly higher IBU...

What you guys think?

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Old 04-15-2008, 03:43 PM   #2
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I think that's a lot of crystal malt. Maybe do a pound of the crystal and a pound of the vienna? The hops look good though....

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I think that's way too much crystal. Otherwise, ok.

Edit- darn, too slow!

And I'd do probably two more hops additions- I'd probably do something like 15, 5, 0. But I like hops!

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3rd time is a charm - too much crystal...

Cut it to 1lb. and use 1lb. of another grain for some complexity (vienna, munich, whatever...) in the grain bill

Also, the mash temp looks a little high (at least to me) for a PA and for having 1lb. of crystal. The crystal will leave some residual sweetness, so you don't really need to use a high mash temp also. I'd mash this at 153F probably...

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I agree with the above posts, 1# crystal and lower the mash to 152-153. I would hop
.50 FWH
.50 60min
.25 10
.25 Flameout

Same amount of hops but get a little more out of them.

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I thought that 2 lb might be a little much as well. It just happens that i have 2#'s kickin around right now...

I'll go 1# each of vienna and crystal...

As far as the hop additions go, the suggestions kinda leave the APA behind and approach an IPA on the IBU scale... I don't have anything against that, but I reviewed the BJCP on this recipe to get in the IBU range (even though I went a lil bit over already)

Another question, that I'm sure has been answered already, is whats the deal with First wort hopping? I haven't seen it in any of the books I've read...

Thanks again guys!

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Well, actually, if you change your hopping, you won't have an IPA. You could just split them up differently to actually get some flavor and a little aroma from them.

Some people say that FWH gives you more flavor and a smoother bitterness. I do it sometimes, but I honestly can't tell the difference. Maybe I can in my Arrogant Bastard clone, but I don't really think I've ever compared them side by side.

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I thought that 2 lb might be a little much as well. It just happens that i have 2#'s kickin around right now...

I'll go 1# each of vienna and crystal...

As far as the hop additions go, the suggestions kinda leave the APA behind and approach an IPA on the IBU scale... I don't have anything against that, but I reviewed the BJCP on this recipe to get in the IBU range (even though I went a lil bit over already)

Another question, that I'm sure has been answered already, is whats the deal with First wort hopping? I haven't seen it in any of the books I've read...

Thanks again guys!
Splitting the hops the way suggested won't get you into "IPA-land" so to speak... FWH compared to a normal 60 minute addition might get you an additional 3-5IBU, who knows. This would be partially (if not completely) offset by moving some of your 10 minute addition to flame-out. And you would get more aroma as noted...

I think the revised hop bill is fine and still constitutes an APA... the BJCP Style Guidelines are just that, "guidelines". Being over by 3-5IBU isn't going to throw a crook into much. I doubt even trained judges can taste a 5IBU difference. In fact, thought I read somewhere that 10IBU increments can be distinguished from either other, but much less would be difficult. E.g. 7 and 10 IBU beers will taste nearly identical, you'll only begin to tell the difference when comparing a 7 and 17IBU beer...
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