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Old 06-05-2011, 10:14 PM   #1
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Default English malt, english yeast, American hops

Lately I have really enjoyed some commercial beers that are either malty american ipas or ESB/ Bitters that are well hopped with American hops. I've seen the latter referred to as Northwest Style ESB.

I'd like to brew something up that falls into this area. I figure around a 5ABV beer with a good malty mouthfeel but lots of citrus or pine hop flavour at the end.

I have probably anything I would need on hand. I've got 10# maris otter, some carastan 30-37, WY1028 - London Ale and lots and lots of hop varieties.

Does someone have a recipe they've had success with and can post? If not, let's build one here!

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Old 06-05-2011, 10:35 PM   #2
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I love english beers, and west coast beers so this sounds like a great idea. for the grain bill keep it simple. Say 95% MO 5% 30-37 a single bittering addition of a nice clean hop to about 45 B.U.s. As for flavor, aroma, and dry that kinda depends on what you got.

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I would keep it around 30 ibus with fuggles or goldings

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i've got some BC Goldings to bitter with. Wondering about nice 'west-coast' style hop pairings?

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I've tried a few times to make something on the lines of an English pale with American influence.

Mostly been using Goldings and Chinook with Maris Otter as a base and then things like special-b/aromatic/biscuit/munich to give it an 'American' malt base (ie. not the typical Maris Otter & Crystal combo most English ales stick too).

Trick is, not too over do the hops (no dry hopping!), and either keep the IBU's around 30 with a 150F mash to give it that English ale drinkability but with a more complex flavour profile from the special malts and different hop flavours.

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Old 06-06-2011, 03:49 AM   #6
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I've tried a few times to make something on the lines of an English pale with American influence.

Mostly been using Goldings and Chinook with Maris Otter as a base and then things like special-b/aromatic/biscuit/munich to give it an 'American' malt base (ie. not the typical Maris Otter & Crystal combo most English ales stick too).

Trick is, not too over do the hops (no dry hopping!), and either keep the IBU's around 30 with a 150F mash to give it that English ale drinkability but with a more complex flavour profile from the special malts and different hop flavours.
Those are some interesting points. So your experience is that those specialty malts give a more complex profile than strictly a combination of crystal malts?

Also, why 150? How does that mash temp affect the beer?
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English breweries tend to mash fairly low, like 65degC which is around 149f from my experience. This is to create a beer you can stomach plenty of as these is less residual sugar than a higher mash temp gives, remember our pints are 20oz. Typical finishing gravity is in the 1.008-1.010 range.

I used more specialist malt as I felt it a more American thing to do, kind of got my influence from the arrogant bastard clone.

You'll often find a good 12% torrified wheat in there for body, as cask conditioned beer is generally only around 1.5vol CO2 it doesn't put a ridiculous head on the beer, but one that'll last all the way down the pint.

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Old 06-09-2011, 04:00 AM   #8
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First crack at a recipe. Kept the IBUs at 30. Mash temp would be 150.

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Recipe Specifications
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Batch Size: 6.00 gal
Boil Size: 7.50 gal
Estimated OG: 1.047 SG
Estimated Color: 8.7 SRM
Estimated IBU: 31.7 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amount Item Type % or IBU
9.00 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) UK (3.0 SRM) Grain 85.71 %
0.50 lb Brown Malt (65.0 SRM) Grain 4.76 %
0.50 lb Munich Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM) Grain 4.76 %
0.50 lb Toasted Malt (27.0 SRM) Grain 4.76 %


0.25 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] (60 min) Hops 9.1 IBU
0.50 oz Goldings, B.C. [5.00 %] (60 min) Hops 7.0 IBU
0.25 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] (30 min) Hops 7.0 IBU
0.25 oz Zeus [14.00 %] (15 min) Hops 4.9 IBU
0.50 oz Cascade [5.00 %] (10 min) Hops 2.8 IBU
0.50 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] (1 min) Hops 0.8 IBU


1 Pkgs London Ale (Wyeast Labs #1028) [Starter 1 Yeast-Ale

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I love Carastan, I would go 10% with it and 90% Maris Otter.

Try using a Cascade / Willamette blend for finishing, you get mostly American citrus and a noticeable hint of English hop flavor from the Willamette. Or for more of a "pine" flavor, 25% Simcoe 50% Cascade 25% Willamette. That will give you just a hint of the Fuggle that Willamette is descended from.

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Lately I have really enjoyed some commercial beers that are either malty american ipas or ESB/ Bitters that are well hopped with American hops. I've seen the latter referred to as Northwest Style ESB.

I'd like to brew something up that falls into this area. I figure around a 5ABV beer with a good malty mouthfeel but lots of citrus or pine hop flavour at the end.

I have probably anything I would need on hand. I've got 10# maris otter, some carastan 30-37, WY1028 - London Ale and lots and lots of hop varieties.

Does someone have a recipe they've had success with and can post? If not, let's build one here!
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Old 06-25-2011, 10:00 PM   #10
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I liked Robotten's suggestions and put together this recipe. I'm looking for comments again:

6 gal
1.045 OG
37 IBUs
Mash at 150

Ingredients
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
9 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) UK (3.0 SRM) Grain 1 90.0 %
1 lbs Carastan 30/37- 30L (30.0 SRM) Grain 2 10.0 %

1.00 oz Goldings, B.C. [5.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 3 14.7 IBUs
0.25 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] - Boil 30.0 min Hop 5 7.3 IBUs
0.50 oz Williamette [5.50 %] - Boil 30.0 min Hop 4 6.8 IBUs
0.50 oz Cascade [5.00 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 6 4.0 IBUs
0.50 oz Williamette [5.50 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 7 3.2 IBUs
0.50 oz Cascade [5.00 %] - Boil 1.0 min Hop 8 0.3 IBUs
0.50 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] - Boil 1.0 min Hop 9 0.8 IBUs
1.0 pkg London Ale (Wyeast Labs #1028) [1000.00 ml] Yeast 10 -

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