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Old 02-08-2011, 03:23 AM   #1
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Default Dogfish head 90 minute clone discrepencies

So the alleged malt bill for the dogfish head 90 minute recipe that comes right from the brewer is:

16.5lbs pilsner malt
1.5lbs amber malt

Now that seems like a unique grain bill that someone wouldn't just make up. The discrepancy comes on the DFH 90 minute bottle label:

What you have here is an Imperial Pale Ale featuring a single, constant 90-minute hop addition. It's balanced by a ridiculous amount of English Two-row Barley.

Since pilsner is never called 2-row, which one is it?

What do you guys think?

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Old 02-08-2011, 10:57 AM   #2
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I made a similiar recipe using the pilsner malt for the 90min. Then I just made a 60min using english 2 row. I am curious what the difference would be. I used warrior simcoe and amarillo hops for both.

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Old 02-08-2011, 11:33 AM   #3
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Could you please post the all-grain recipe for the 90 minute. We brewed it using an extract recipe and I would like to compare using beersmith.

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Sure:

90-Minute IPA clone (Dogfish Head) from BYO
OG = 1.088 FG = 1.021
IBU = 90 SRM = 13 ABV - 8.7%

16.5 lbs. Pilsner malt
1.66 lbs. amber malt (35 *L)
2.0 oz Amarillo hops (90-0 mins)
0.62 oz Simcoe hops (90-0 mins)
0.53 oz Warrior hops (90-0 mins)
1 oz. Amarillo hops (dry hops)
0.5 oz. Simcoe hops (dry hops)
0.5 oz. Warrior hops (dry hops)
Wyeast 1099 (Whitbread Ale) yeast

The other problem I have with the receipe is, that amount of hops does not calculate to 90 IBU. Actually no where close. I found I needed 3oz Amarillo, 1oz Simcoe, and 1oz warrier to get to 90 IBU

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How do you calculate IBU's when the hops is continuously added?

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So the alleged malt bill for the dogfish head 90 minute recipe that comes right from the brewer is:

16.5lbs pilsner malt
1.5lbs amber malt

Now that seems like a unique grain bill that someone wouldn't just make up. The discrepancy comes on the DFH 90 minute bottle label:

What you have here is an Imperial Pale Ale featuring a single, constant 90-minute hop addition. It's balanced by a ridiculous amount of English Two-row Barley.

Since pilsner is never called 2-row, which one is it?

What do you guys think?

some good info here, interview with Andy Tveekrem:
http://www.brew-monkey.com/articles/interview.php?id=2

Q:The DFH 90 Min. BYO recipe listed the grain bill as Pilsner and amber malt, whereas a recent Zymurgy 90 min. recipe listed it as pale 2-row and Munich. Which is
more accurate?

A:Right now it is a bit of both-- 2 row and amber malt.
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How do you calculate IBU's when the hops is continuously added?
Divide the hop amounts into 10 additions, added every 6 minutes in Beersmith. It took me a LONG time to add 30 hop additions into beersmith, but the IBUs came back way low. Considering the inaccuracy of the BYO recipe, i'm going with my gut, that little hops won't equal 90 IBUs

Infection: That's exactly the info I'm looking for!
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Ok: I think my clone will be

17lbs 2-row
1lb Amber

90 minute is 8-9 SRM if i had to guess, no more. So I'm cutting back the amber to 5% or so.
Hops are as follows:
Amarillo: 3oz
Simcoe: 1oz
Warrior: 1oz
Divide evenly into 10 doses, and add every 6min.
Dry hop per the recipe above, and ferment with two packs of s-04

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Hops are as follows:
Amarillo: 3oz
Simcoe: 1oz
Warrior: 1oz
Divide evenly into 10 doses, and add every 6min.
Wouldn't you need 15 doses?
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I am interested in how your new recipe turns out as I brew the 90 Min BYO clone quite a bit. I really like it, but it is off from the original a little and I would like to get as close as I can. I noticed in that interview that he also says "pile on the hops in the end of the boil and in the fermenter" instead of equal additions throughout the boil. Any thoughts on changing this as well?

BTW, I have 2oz Amarillo @ 8%, .5oz Warrior @ 15%, and .6 of Simcoe @ 13% and my IBU's say 89 in Beersmith. Maybe that is how BYO came up with 90IBU's by putting them in the software that way for the entire 90min. Just a thought.

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