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Old 03-22-2013, 01:07 AM   #1
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from the DB blog

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Pilsner Malt, English Cara-stan, German Cara-Foam (a dextrin malt, provides body), and Torrified Wheat. The Munich and Maris Otter malt was removed with Cara-foam being added.

The hops for the 2010 IPA are Cascade first addition, Columbus second, Centennial third, and Simcoe fourth. A total of 18 pounds for a ten hectoliter batch

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one at first wort (pre-boil), one at 30 minutes before boil end, one at 15 minutes before, and one at whirlpool
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This pale bronze beer is medium in body with intense hop flavor and aroma. Our IPA is brewed in the style of the “west coast” with robust hop character coming from American grown varieties of hops. IPA’s are amongst the most popular craft brewed beers as they have moderate strength and tons of flavor. This is not your Grandfathers beer! 5.9% alcohol by volume, 60 IBUs
so, I quick added it to BS2 and came up with

9 lbs Pilsner
1 lb carafoam
1 lb carastan
1 lb torrified wheat

& 1 ounce each hop addition according to the schedule from the blog

grain bill gets it to 5.9% (1.058 OG). I just added all the grains at 1 lb, then increased the Pilsner until the ABV% was right. are the ratios OK?
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From Beersmith with generic alpha values and C30 substituted for Carastan.

Ingredients
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
9 lbs Pilsner (2 Row) UK (1.0 SRM) Grain 1 75.0 %
1 lbs Carafoam (2.0 SRM) Grain 2 8.3 %
1 lbs Caramel/Crystal Malt - 30L (30.0 SRM) Grain 3 8.3 %
1 lbs Wheat, Torrified (1.7 SRM) Grain 4 8.3 %
1.00 oz Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 5 17.4 IBUs
1.00 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - Boil 30.0 min Hop 6 34.1 IBUs
1.00 oz Centennial [10.00 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 7 15.7 IBUs
1.00 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] - Aroma Steep 0.0 min Hop 8 0.0 IBUs

Beer Profile

Est Original Gravity: 1.061 SG Measured Original Gravity: 1.046 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.013 SG Measured Final Gravity: 1.010 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 6.3 % Actual Alcohol by Vol: 4.7 %
Bitterness: 67.3 IBUs Calories: 151.6 kcal/12oz
Est Color: 5.9 SRM

I would suspect that you could knock down the Carastan and Carafoam (whatever that is) but someone more familiar with the beer will hopefully have more guidance. For almost any "westcoast" IPA I'd probably like to see some more hops in the last 15 minutes.

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Old 03-22-2013, 10:41 AM   #3
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From Beersmith with generic alpha values and C30 substituted for Carastan.

Ingredients
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
9 lbs Pilsner (2 Row) UK (1.0 SRM) Grain 1 75.0 %
1 lbs Carafoam (2.0 SRM) Grain 2 8.3 %
1 lbs Caramel/Crystal Malt - 30L (30.0 SRM) Grain 3 8.3 %
1 lbs Wheat, Torrified (1.7 SRM) Grain 4 8.3 %
1.00 oz Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 5 17.4 IBUs
1.00 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - Boil 30.0 min Hop 6 34.1 IBUs
1.00 oz Centennial [10.00 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 7 15.7 IBUs
1.00 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] - Aroma Steep 0.0 min Hop 8 0.0 IBUs

Beer Profile

Est Original Gravity: 1.061 SG Measured Original Gravity: 1.046 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.013 SG Measured Final Gravity: 1.010 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 6.3 % Actual Alcohol by Vol: 4.7 %
Bitterness: 67.3 IBUs Calories: 151.6 kcal/12oz
Est Color: 5.9 SRM

I would suspect that you could knock down the Carastan and Carafoam (whatever that is) but someone more familiar with the beer will hopefully have more guidance. For almost any "westcoast" IPA I'd probably like to see some more hops in the last 15 minutes.
different equipment profiles. my numbers came out closer to theirs in Beersmith

and Carafoam = CaraPils
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brewed this up on Tuesday night in the rain

OG - 1.061
SRM - 7.9
IBU - 60.9
WLP041

10 lbs Pilsner
.5 lb carafoam
1.25 lb carastan crystal 40
.25 lb torrified wheat

short protein rest @ 140, 15 minutes
sacch rest @ 152, 60 minutes

90 minute boil
1 oz cascade, FWH
1 oz columbus, 30 min
1 oz centennial, 15 min
1 oz simcoe (I know how much you guys love it!) @ FO

was a little over on volume, little short on OG but hit 78.4% efficiency going into boiler. a personal best

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re-brewed on 7.27, AGAIN, in the pouring rain. renamed this "Rain Delay IPA" bottling today or tomorrow or maybe next week

talked to one of the brewers at the NOVA Brewfest and he said they added Cluster hops to the mix. I was pressed for time and didn't have my brewsheet on me, so I couldn't get more specifics from him. I added the Cluster as the FWH and shifted everything back, leaving the Simcoe and Centennials as hopstand additions. he did confirm that there is NO DRYHOP in this

another change from the original batch is that I dropped the temp in the protein rest down to 132°.

hit all #s, temps, gravities and volumes during this brew, fermented for the first week in the low 60s, raised to 70 for the 2nd week.

Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 7.25 gal
Post Boil Volume: 6.13 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.50 gal
Bottling Volume: 5.10 gal
Estimated OG: 1.060 SG
Estimated Color: 8.1 SRM
Estimated IBU: 48.9 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 71.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 80.7 %
Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
10 lbs Pilsner (2 Row) Ger (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 80.4 %
1 lbs 4.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (40.0 SRM) Grain 2 9.8 %
1 lbs Carafoam (2.0 SRM) Grain 3 7.9 %
4.0 oz Wheat, Torrified (1.7 SRM) Grain 4 2.0 %
1.000 oz Cluster [7.00 %] - First Wort 20.0 min Hop 5 13.9 IBUs
1.000 oz Cascade [6.80 %] - Boil 30.0 min Hop 6 15.5 IBUs
1.000 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [13.20 %] - Boil 15. Hop 7 19.5 IBUs
1.000 oz Centennial [8.60 %] - Aroma Steep 30.0 m Hop 8 0.0 IBUs
1.000 oz Simcoe [12.10 %] - Aroma Steep 30.0 min Hop 9 0.0 IBUs
1.0 pkg Pacific Ale (White Labs #WLP041) [35.49 Yeast 10 -


Mash Schedule: Double Infusion, Rob's Medium Body
Total Grain Weight: 12 lbs 12.7 oz
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Name Description Step Temperat Step Time
Protein Rest Add 14.00 qt of water at 144.8 F 132.0 F 15 min
Saccharification Add 6.00 qt of water at 201.6 F 150.0 F 60 min

Sparge: Batch sparge with 2 steps (Drain mash tun, , 4.00gal) of 168.0 F water

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Old 08-10-2013, 12:21 PM   #6
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So was the first attempt a close rendition? How about the second one? Love some 8 point, probably one of the best IPAs I have had, or at least the one I liked the best.

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not nearly cloned, but it is a good homebrew. I'm having issues getting any hop flavor or aroma out of anything, so I'm deeking a little with my water chem. just a little burton salts this time

was scheduled to bottle next week, but I might run out of patience and do it today or tomorrow

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How did the second iteration turn out? I'm going to BIAB this with a buddy.

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bottled this past Saturday, tasted pretty good warm and flat

going on vacation for a week, will fridge one up and check it out when we get back

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Thanks for the leg work of figuring out this recipe. I'll keep you posted on the results! We'll be brewing on 8 Sep.

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