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Old 03-20-2013, 09:21 PM   #1
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Default Deep Ellum IPA clone recipe?

Does anyone have a DEBC IPA clone recipe they would like to share?

I have never tried to make a clone recipe before but I used BeerSmith and some research from the web to match their ingredients/IBU/SRM. I haven't actually tried to make it yet, wondering if somebody already had one. If not, how does this look for a first attempt?

8 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM)
2 lbs Vienna Malt (3.5 SRM)
1 lbs White Wheat Malt (2.4 SRM)
1 lbs Honey Malt

1.0 oz Chinook - Boil 60 min
0.8 oz Amarillo Gold - Boil 30 min
1.0 oz Palisade - Boil 15 min
0.5 oz Citra - Steep 15 min
1 pkgs English Ale (White Labs #WLP002) Yeast 8

1.0 oz Citra - Dry Hop 4 days
0.8 oz Palisade - Dry Hop 4 days
0.5 oz Summit - Dry Hop 4 days

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Old 03-21-2013, 12:28 PM   #2
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From what I hear honey malt is a strong flavor so 1 lb might be a bit much... that may make it cloyingly sweet.

Another thing is that unless you are doing something smaller than a 5 gallon batch or you hit some big 85%+ efficiency numbers this looks like a pretty weak IPA. I would start with 10-12 lbs of base malt and work from there, maybe 1.5lb Vienna, 0.25-0.5 lb of Honey and about the same of white wheat. From what I have read in the past 5 minutes, it is a 7% abv beer so aim for that.

I also bet they use some Summit for bittering since it is such a high AA hop. Maybe a little Chinook but I bet the bulk of the bittering charge is Summit. The 0.8 oz at 30 minutes of Amarillo probably isnt going to do too much for your flavor or bittering so push that to 20 minutes or less. Also... MORE HOPS. Just over 3 ounces in the boil is going to give you a pretty weak flavor. What you have there looks more like a Pale Ale than an IPA. It is probably safe to say you should use at least 5 ounces in the boil with 80-90% of that falling in the last 20 minutes for maximum flavor and aroma. You will just want to add some summit around 60-45 minutes to get up to about 40-50 IBU. Then Dry hop with a full ounce of each.

I have never had this beer you are trying to clone but I can tell you if you brew the recipe you have you are going to get some wishy-washy, overly malty sweet, lightly hopped pale ale and be severely disappointed in your efforts.

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Old 03-21-2013, 12:39 PM   #3
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You're going to need about 4.5oz Honey Malt and White Wheat, 28oz of Vienna and the remainder is pale ale malt.
For the hops:
Summit FWH
Citra :20
Amarillo (or Centennial) & Chinook 0 min
Palisade & Chinook Post Boil (we use these in the hopback, which may be hard to replicate, maybe move the 0 min hops to 5 min and these to -5 min?)
Apollo, Citra, Amarillo/Centennial/Simcoe (stupid supply issues) dry hop

That should get you pretty close. Oh and you want your total hop load at about 6.5oz for a 5gal batch, but feel free to go a bit higher, we get much better utilization on our system (calandria boil) than y'all should expect.

Cheers and beers,
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Head Brewer - Deep Ellum Brewing Company

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Old 03-21-2013, 12:43 PM   #4
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So I was in the ball park... that is awesome! I wish every brewery combed these forums and would lay it out like Deep Ellum just did!

Cheers!

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How does this look? Ratebeer estimates 70 IBUs. I adjusted hop amounts until I hit that.


BeerSmith 2 Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
Recipe: Not Deep Ellum IPA
Brewer:
Asst Brewer:
Style: American IPA
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0)

Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 6.52 gal
Post Boil Volume: 5.98 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.00 gal
Bottling Volume: 4.60 gal
Estimated OG: 1.064 SG
Estimated Color: 5.0 SRM
Estimated IBU: 70.1 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 72.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 82.8 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
10 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 81.2 %
1 lbs 12.0 oz Vienna Malt (3.5 SRM) Grain 2 14.2 %
4.5 oz Honey Malt (25.0 SRM) Grain 3 2.3 %
4.5 oz White Wheat Malt (2.4 SRM) Grain 4 2.3 %
1.00 oz Summit [17.00 %] - First Wort 15.0 min Hop 5 28.7 IBUs
1.25 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 6 28.1 IBUs
1.00 oz Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 7 5.2 IBUs
1.00 oz Chinook [13.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 8 8.0 IBUs
1.00 oz Chinook [13.00 %] - Aroma Steep -5.0 min Hop 9 0.0 IBUs
1.00 oz Palisade [7.50 %] - Aroma Steep -5.0 min Hop 10 0.0 IBUs
1.0 pkg English Ale (White Labs #WLP002) [35.49 Yeast 11 -
1.00 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Dry Hop 4.0 Days Hop 12 0.0 IBUs
0.75 oz Palisade [7.50 %] - Dry Hop 4.0 Days Hop 13 0.0 IBUs
0.50 oz Apollo [17.00 %] - Dry Hop 4.0 Days Hop 14 0.0 IBUs


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge
Total Grain Weight: 12 lbs 5.0 oz
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Name Description Step Temperature Step Time
Mash In Add 15.39 qt of water at 163.7 F 152.0 F 60 min

Sparge: Batch sparge with 4 steps (Drain mash tun, , 1.47gal, 1.47gal, 1.47gal) of 168.0 F water
Notes:
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Old 03-24-2013, 04:24 PM   #6
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That'll get you very close. Good luck!

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Old 03-25-2013, 11:42 AM   #7
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I have never had this beer but what is the aroma and hop flavor like? Analyzing that will help you determine what hop to drop and when. If it has a lush flavor but very piney, resinous aroma you are probably very close. If it is the inverse with a more resinous flavor but a more tropical fruity aroma I bet the chinook is closer to 20 minutes and the citra and amarillo are closer to 5 minutes or flame-out.

just my 2 cents. Either way that recipe looks like it will make a tasty beer!

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Old 04-18-2013, 08:33 PM   #8
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I adjusted the grain bill to be more in line with the ABV and the hops to be closer to the posted IBU. I hope to give this a shot in the next couple of weeks. Do the masses think I am way off?

BeerSmith 2 Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
Recipe: Deep Ellum IPA Clone
Brewer:
Asst Brewer:
Style: American IPA
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0)

Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 6.52 gal
Post Boil Volume: 5.98 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.00 gal
Bottling Volume: 4.75 gal
Estimated OG: 1.076 SG
Estimated Color: 5.5 SRM
Estimated IBU: 69.3 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 72.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 82.8 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
12 lbs 2.0 oz Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 84.0 %
1 lbs 12.0 oz Vienna Malt (3.5 SRM) Grain 2 12.1 %
4.5 oz Honey Malt (25.0 SRM) Grain 3 1.9 %
4.5 oz White Wheat Malt (2.4 SRM) Grain 4 1.9 %
0.50 oz Summit [17.00 %] - First Wort 90.0 min Hop 5 28.4 IBUs
1.25 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 6 25.8 IBUs
1.25 oz Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 7 6.0 IBUs
1.25 oz Chinook [13.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 8 9.2 IBUs
1.00 oz Chinook [13.00 %] - Aroma Steep -5.0 min Hop 9 0.0 IBUs
1.00 oz Palisade [7.50 %] - Aroma Steep -5.0 min Hop 10 0.0 IBUs
1.0 pkg English Ale (White Labs #WLP002) [35.49 Yeast 11 -
1.00 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Dry Hop 4.0 Days Hop 12 0.0 IBUs
0.75 oz Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Dry Hop 4.0 Day Hop 13 0.0 IBUs
0.50 oz Apollo [17.00 %] - Dry Hop 4.0 Days Hop 14 0.0 IBUs


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge
Total Grain Weight: 14 lbs 7.0 oz
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Name Description Step Temperat Step Time
Mash In Add 20.55 qt of water at 162.2 F 152.0 F 60 min

Sparge: Batch sparge with 2 steps (0.17gal, 3.57gal) of 168.0 F water

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Old 10-27-2013, 09:49 PM   #9
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How close did this get you? Any further changes? The DEBC IPA is an awesome beer!

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Old 10-28-2013, 01:43 PM   #10
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I used this recipe and it's fermenting now....should be dryhopping today and kegging this weekend.
I've never had the beer and can't get it in my area but a friend will be sending me a few to try next to mine when it's ready.
It sure smelled great while fermenting and I'm very much looking forward to this one.

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