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NathPowe 05-07-2014 01:58 AM

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Howdy folks. Sorry for the delay on my follow up - bet you thought I'd abandoned the thread. Been a bit busy lately and was out of town for a long weekend. Anyway, I figure I'll throw in a couple pics and then my notes. Sorry in advance for the crappy pics. I'm a beer dude, not a photographer. First two are the same thing - one with flash, one without. The third is Head-retention/Lacing Cam. Real thing on the left next to the can, clone on the right in all pics. Here goes -

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Okay, so here are my thoughts. First off, the color wasn't as far off as I originally thought/posted a while back. It's not exact, but it's actually reasonably close. Obviously the clone is much clearer, but Half Acre likely filters the real deal.

Now when it comes to flavor/aroma, it's been a bit tough because my cans of the real deal have started to oxidize a bit. It's not terribly bad, but enough that it's identifiable and impedes the comparison to a certain degree. Nevertheless, I think the malt bill is very close on the clone. Both beers have a wonderful toast that floats throughout the flavor and even slightly in the aroma. I absolutely love the malt bill and I honestly don't know that I'd change it on a rebrew.

In terms of hops, the first thing I'll say is that I think the general amounts/levels of both hop flavor and aroma on the clone are both quite close to the original. I also think that the overall flavor and aroma is very close to the original. That's not to say I think I nailed it on the first try, but they're very close as far as I can taste with the oxidization present on the real thing. I think to get into the real nitty-gritty hop adjustments we'll need someone who can regularly get their hands on freshies from Half Acre. The clone obviously has a fresher hop flavor and aroma - this is to be expected though. Finally, the real thing does seem to be just the slightest bit more bitter, but I wonder if that's also related to the age of the cans.

Mouthfeel is spot on. As you can see from the third pic, the head retention and lacing are also pretty dern close.

So that's my unintentionally long update. I'll close by saying that, while I'm not saying the beer is totally cloned, this recipe is quite close and (most importantly) it's absolutely fantastic. Definitely one of the best beers I've ever made, and it suits my tastes so well I don't think I'd change anything on a rebrew (which is definitely happening). Again, folks with more experience/better palates than me will probably get it dialed in 100%, but for now I'm diggin it.

You should definitely give this a shot if you like Daisy Cutter, or if you just generally dig hop-forward ales. You won't be disappointed. That's all for now. If folks have any follow-up questions I'll do my best to offer some answers. Recipe is re-posted below. Cheers and enjoy the brew.

p.s. I can't speak to the use of Falconers Flight instead of Centennial. Wasn't aware of this at the time of my brew but again, this one is close and it's tasty. I bet the Falconer's would be to.

Daisy Cutter Clone Attempt
OG: 1.047
FG: 1.007
60min Boil
ABV: 5.2% (as listed on the real thing)
5-gallon Batch

Grain
9.75lbs 2-row ~ 91%
5oz Victory! ~ 3%
5oz Special Roast ~ 3%
5oz Aromatic ~ 3%

Mash @ 149*F

Hops / Boil
.25oz Warrior @ 60min
.25oz Centennial @ 30min
.5oz Centennial, .5oz Amarillo @ 15min
1oz Simcoe, .5oz Amarillo, .5oz Columbus @ Whirlpool (15min whirlpool)

Yeast
US-05, 1pkg re-hydrated

Give it 60sec of pure O2 (I know some say this is unnecessary with dry yeast - I do it anyway), ferment at 66*F for three days, then slowly raise it to 68*F to finish out. After that, rack to a keg with dry hops.

Dry Hop:
.5oz Simcoe, .5oz Amarillo, .5oz Columbus, .5oz Centennial


NathPowe 05-07-2014 01:58 AM

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Howdy folks. Sorry for the delay on my follow up - bet you thought I'd abandoned the thread. Been a bit busy lately and was out of town for a long weekend. Anyway, I figure I'll throw in a couple pics and then my notes. Sorry in advance for the crappy pics. I'm a beer dude, not a photographer. First two are the same thing - one with flash, one without. The third is Head-retention/Lacing Cam. Real thing on the left next to the can, clone on the right in all pics. Here goes -

Attachment 197850
Attachment 197851
Attachment 197852

Okay, so here are my thoughts. First off, the color wasn't as far off as I originally thought/posted a while back. It's not exact, but it's actually reasonably close. Obviously the clone is much clearer, but Half Acre likely filters the real deal.

Now when it comes to flavor/aroma, it's been a bit tough because my cans of the real deal have started to oxidize a bit. It's not terribly bad, but enough that it's identifiable and impedes the comparison to a certain degree. Nevertheless, I think the malt bill is very close on the clone. Both beers have a wonderful toast that floats throughout the flavor and even slightly in the aroma. I absolutely love the malt bill and I honestly don't know that I'd change it on a rebrew.

In terms of hops, the first thing I'll say is that I think the general amounts/levels of both hop flavor and aroma on the clone are both quite close to the original. I also think that the overall flavor and aroma is very close to the original. That's not to say I think I nailed it on the first try, but they're very close as far as I can taste with the oxidization present on the real thing. I think to get into the real nitty-gritty hop adjustments we'll need someone who can regularly get their hands on freshies from Half Acre. The clone obviously has a fresher hop flavor and aroma - this is to be expected though. Finally, the real thing does seem to be just the slightest bit more bitter, but I wonder if that's also related to the age of the cans.

Mouthfeel is spot on. As you can see from the third pic, the head retention and lacing are also pretty dern close.

So that's my unintentionally long update. I'll close by saying that, while I'm not saying the beer is totally cloned, this recipe is quite close and (most importantly) it's absolutely fantastic. Definitely one of the best beers I've ever made, and it suits my tastes so well I don't think I'd change anything on a rebrew (which is definitely happening). Again, folks with more experience/better palates than me will probably get it dialed in 100%, but for now I'm diggin it.

You should definitely give this a shot if you like Daisy Cutter, or if you just generally dig hop-forward ales. You won't be disappointed. That's all for now. If folks have any follow-up questions I'll do my best to offer some answers. Recipe is re-posted below. Cheers and enjoy the brew.

p.s. I can't speak to the use of Falconers Flight instead of Centennial. Wasn't aware of this at the time of my brew but again, this one is close and it's tasty. I bet the Falconer's would be to.

Daisy Cutter Clone Attempt
OG: 1.047
FG: 1.007
60min Boil
ABV: 5.2% (as listed on the real thing)
5-gallon Batch

Grain
9.75lbs 2-row ~ 91%
5oz Victory! ~ 3%
5oz Special Roast ~ 3%
5oz Aromatic ~ 3%

Mash @ 149*F

Hops / Boil
.25oz Warrior @ 60min
.25oz Centennial @ 30min
.5oz Centennial, .5oz Amarillo @ 15min
1oz Simcoe, .5oz Amarillo, .5oz Columbus @ Whirlpool (15min whirlpool)

Yeast
US-05, 1pkg re-hydrated

Give it 60sec of pure O2 (I know some say this is unnecessary with dry yeast - I do it anyway), ferment at 66*F for three days, then slowly raise it to 68*F to finish out. After that, rack to a keg with dry hops.

Dry Hop:
.5oz Simcoe, .5oz Amarillo, .5oz Columbus, .5oz Centennial


NathPowe 05-07-2014 01:58 AM

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Howdy folks. Sorry for the delay on my follow up - bet you thought I'd abandoned the thread. Been a bit busy lately and was out of town for a long weekend. Anyway, I figure I'll throw in a couple pics and then my notes. Sorry in advance for the crappy pics. I'm a beer dude, not a photographer. First two are the same thing - one with flash, one without. The third is Head-retention/Lacing Cam. Real thing on the left next to the can, clone on the right in all pics. Here goes -

Attachment 197850
Attachment 197851
Attachment 197852

Okay, so here are my thoughts. First off, the color wasn't as far off as I originally thought/posted a while back. It's not exact, but it's actually reasonably close. Obviously the clone is much clearer, but Half Acre likely filters the real deal.

Now when it comes to flavor/aroma, it's been a bit tough because my cans of the real deal have started to oxidize a bit. It's not terribly bad, but enough that it's identifiable and impedes the comparison to a certain degree. Nevertheless, I think the malt bill is very close on the clone. Both beers have a wonderful toast that floats throughout the flavor and even slightly in the aroma. I absolutely love the malt bill and I honestly don't know that I'd change it on a rebrew.

In terms of hops, the first thing I'll say is that I think the general amounts/levels of both hop flavor and aroma on the clone are both quite close to the original. I also think that the overall flavor and aroma is very close to the original. That's not to say I think I nailed it on the first try, but they're very close as far as I can taste with the oxidization present on the real thing. I think to get into the real nitty-gritty hop adjustments we'll need someone who can regularly get their hands on freshies from Half Acre. The clone obviously has a fresher hop flavor and aroma - this is to be expected though. Finally, the real thing does seem to be just the slightest bit more bitter, but I wonder if that's also related to the age of the cans.

Mouthfeel is spot on. As you can see from the third pic, the head retention and lacing are also pretty dern close.

So that's my unintentionally long update. I'll close by saying that, while I'm not saying the beer is totally cloned, this recipe is quite close and (most importantly) it's absolutely fantastic. Definitely one of the best beers I've ever made, and it suits my tastes so well I don't think I'd change anything on a rebrew (which is definitely happening). Again, folks with more experience/better palates than me will probably get it dialed in 100%, but for now I'm diggin it.

You should definitely give this a shot if you like Daisy Cutter, or if you just generally dig hop-forward ales. You won't be disappointed. That's all for now. If folks have any follow-up questions I'll do my best to offer some answers. Recipe is re-posted below. Cheers and enjoy the brew.

p.s. I can't speak to the use of Falconers Flight instead of Centennial. Wasn't aware of this at the time of my brew but again, this one is close and it's tasty. I bet the Falconer's would be to.

Daisy Cutter Clone Attempt
OG: 1.047
FG: 1.007
60min Boil
ABV: 5.2% (as listed on the real thing)
5-gallon Batch

Grain
9.75lbs 2-row ~ 91%
5oz Victory! ~ 3%
5oz Special Roast ~ 3%
5oz Aromatic ~ 3%

Mash @ 149*F

Hops / Boil
.25oz Warrior @ 60min
.25oz Centennial @ 30min
.5oz Centennial, .5oz Amarillo @ 15min
1oz Simcoe, .5oz Amarillo, .5oz Columbus @ Whirlpool (15min whirlpool)

Yeast
US-05, 1pkg re-hydrated

Give it 60sec of pure O2 (I know some say this is unnecessary with dry yeast - I do it anyway), ferment at 66*F for three days, then slowly raise it to 68*F to finish out. After that, rack to a keg with dry hops.

Dry Hop:
.5oz Simcoe, .5oz Amarillo, .5oz Columbus, .5oz Centennial


ChairmanWow 06-13-2014 11:41 PM

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Three weeks of bottle conditioning and I've finally been able to try some of my batch in a head-to-head against the genuine Daisy Cutter. I judged mine somewhat more harshly than some of the other people who tasted it, but even I think it's pretty close.

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Mine is on the left, the genuine article on the right.

The aroma is identical. The color is pretty close, theirs is a touch lighter and doesn't show the chill haze that mine does. The flavor is very very close, with theirs having a more upfront burst of bitterness and mine lingering longer. I noted an unsatisfactory soapy flavor in the back of the throat on my version, but nobody else noticed it when I did a blind tasting, and I may have just been finding fault.

I actually took the tour at Half Acre the day after I bottled, and talked it over with their head brewer. He confirmed the malt profile we've all been using is correct, but did note that their hop bill changes from time to time. He didn't confirm exactly what, but stated that they usually use some Zeus. I was given to understand that Zeus and Columbus are pretty much identical, so I can't see it making that much of a difference.

All in all, I liked theirs a bit more, but my version is a reasonable approximation, and a pretty good beer in it's own right, given it was my first all-grain to boot.




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