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Last edited by saq; 10-19-2009 at 10:09 PM. |
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I'm researching it a bit and I'll be playing around with the recipe. I'll be in if I can get one of those corn whiskey barrels, it should be really nice. Even if I didn't get one I think I'd still be in, sounds very awesome. I'll post up my plan when I come up with something I like.
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My keezer project. Primary: BierMunchers Cream of Three Crops Conditioning: Empty Kegged: Orfy's Mild Mannered Ale | Pumpkin Spice Ale | Westvleteren 8 | Murphy's Irish Stout Clone | Westvleteren 12 Bottled: Pyment | JOAM | Strawberry Melomel |
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I just brewed up The Pious batch 3 (my westy recipe) last week. I think I might brew it again to get started on this and leave a little for topup. I need to get figures for the kind of evaporative loss you get on a 5g barrel.
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Be good to your yeast...
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Alright, Westy 12 didn't have me up in a bunch but this one definitely does.
![]() A few comments... Souring an 11% ABV beer seems... well, damn near impossible, because most souring bugs don't live much beyond 8%. Lactic acid producing bacteria die around 6-7% and Pediococcus can only handle 8-9%. There is a fair amount of sour character from acetobacter in this brew but it can't possibly be all of it, and I would hate to chuck the bugs into an 11% brew and have it not sour one iota. We're gonna have to figure out how to step ferment this thing so that we can get the 11% ABV of the finished brew and still get that Flanders Red type mouth watering sourness this beer has. I wonder if the key is within the cherries and raisins... perhaps if the base beer ferments up to 7-8% with the bugs, and then cherries and raisins are added to raise the potential alcohol up to 11% after about 6-9 months? Or, maybe the cherries and raisins are fermented with lacto/pedio/brett, and then the soured cherry mash is added to the oak casks when the "virgin" 11% ABV beer is added to them, so it doesn't need to sour any further. Actually the latter seems like the most foolproof method, we might be onto something there... The barrels have only had whiskey in them for two months so I think it's going to take a few beers cycled through them to get them tame enough to clone this beer. I thought the Bourbon barrel note was there in CdT but pretty low key. I don't expect my first couple of batches going into the barrel to have such a low key Bourbon flavor. It'll probably be knock-your-socks off oak. |
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Be good to your yeast...
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First off for the sourness. Yes lacto, pedio, acetobacter don't tolerate alcohol really well, could you possibly slowly train them up to being able to tolerate these levels? I'll have to check wild brews to see what tricks they might be able to offer for this aspect. However, he does use Brett! Definitely C, maybe some A? Brett tolerates alcohol really well. So that can go in the base beer to get it active. Wonder what the pH of some nice sour cherry juice is? Maybe if you took that, added the raisins to it, and pitched your funky bunch in there if it would provide enough pH to lower the base beer down with sufficient quantity. I've been to Lost Abbey, and they have quite a few of their barrels dedicated to Cuvee De Tomme, and on the barrel history sheet the only thing thats been in it is CdT. I think all the other flavors going on help tone down the bourbon character some, so I plan on using a fresh barrel. |
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Three strains of brett... C&L are easy to come by. Not sure about any others. Quote:
A brew pub here in town has an extra JD barrel they will sell me if I can figure out where to put it. If I can get enough guys to go in with me on this (and find a place in somebody's garage to store the thing) I will use that barrel and we can just split the batch up. |
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http://kingorchards.com/store.htm?category=Cherry%20Juice%20Concentrate
I think a good amount of the sugars come from this. 1.342 OG! Edit: just ordered 3 quarts Last edited by saq; 10-19-2009 at 10:35 PM. |
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I think I'm down for this. It's a good time to start too, Two months ago there where a S#it load of cherries at the farmers markets around here, so I assume next year they will return. I also have an All Brett C, brew that I will be racking soon to do an All brett triple with the yeast cake, so It will be a good time to harvest some of that. as well I have a good Souring culture going in a corny that needs to be replenished soon.
Looks like my stars have aligned for this project. I'll have to convince SWMBO to come with me to the bar and shill out $45 for a bottle, so I can have the flavor fresh in my mind. |
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If you haven't read this yet, although I'm sure you have since it's in the comments of the CdT webpage, I think it might help as there is some info that might be useful:
Clicky. --edit-- From what I understand is that the bugs have been cultured in house, they probably have mutated enough to survive the higher abv levels of the brew? I assume that's only speculation however but according to the description: Quote:
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My keezer project. Primary: BierMunchers Cream of Three Crops Conditioning: Empty Kegged: Orfy's Mild Mannered Ale | Pumpkin Spice Ale | Westvleteren 8 | Murphy's Irish Stout Clone | Westvleteren 12 Bottled: Pyment | JOAM | Strawberry Melomel Last edited by juvinious; 10-20-2009 at 02:32 AM. |
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