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Old 01-25-2011, 03:20 PM   #11
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i'd give it a go. regardless, what you have looks like a solid recipe

it might not be celebrator but it'll still be good beer.

and yeah, big starter, aerate well, maintain solid ferm temps.
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^^^Agree 100% with motobrewer. Brew it well and it should be a mighty fine beer.
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Old 01-25-2011, 04:05 PM   #12
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Excellent, thanks for the input. One more question and I'll leave you guys alone. My LHBS doesn't have that particular yeast, but the guy said the White Labs "Bock yeast" he has would be just as good. Agree or disagree?

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Old 01-25-2011, 04:06 PM   #13
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yes, i'd use White Labs 833 - German Bock.

apparently that's the Ayinger strain.

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Old 01-27-2011, 01:25 PM   #14
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Ok, I said I was done with questions on this but, of course, another has come up. In the section of Brewing Classic Styles on Doppelbocks, they talk about pitching six packets of liquid yeast or making a big starter.

motobrewer, you agreed with "huge starter", but i'm getting varying opinions on what this means. my LHBS guys say regular sized starter with one packet and don't worry about it. but they tend to be pretty laid back about everything, whereas i'm pretty uptight about the details. so can i hear some thoughts on this? i've never made more than a 1L starter and don't really have the equipment to do so. but i would rather wait and upgrade than watch this beer lager for six months and turn out poorly.

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Old 01-27-2011, 01:39 PM   #15
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My opinion and my SOP is to make a big starter (at least 2L) but only brew a low-ish gravity beer with it. Then use the cake from that first beer for the Doppelbock. The size starter you would need for such a big lager is just not going to be practical.

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http://www.mrmalty.com/calc/calc.html

unfortunately, for 5 gallons of 1.080, mrmalty says 4.5 liters of starter required, unless you have a stir plate.

if you can't brew a regular gravity beer and use the cake from that, i would just get 2-3 vials and make as big of a starter as you can. i'm sure it'll still ferment.
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moto, I think that 4.6L number is correct if you use 3 vials/smackpacks. If you only used 1 vial/smackpack you'd need a 19.4L simple starter...and that's assuming 100% viability.

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yeah, sorry, that's correct.

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wow, thanks for that link, cool stuff. if i'm going to get into lagers, it looks like a stir plate might be a good investment. i see that northern brewer now has one for $50, might have to order it up. thanks again guys, appreciate all the help.

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Celebrator is not a 1.080-1.083 beer. It's only 6.7%abv -- pretty much the lowest you'll see in a doppelbock. I would suspect it is closer to 1.072-74 OG and 1.020-22 FG to get you to the abv.

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