NAUGHTYDOGBREWING

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Hello everyone,

I recently was given ingredients for two 5 gallon batches of a black butte clone. I brewed the first batch and everything is looking good so far at just over 2 weeks in primary. On the second batch i want to do things a little different. I would like to turn this recipe into a CDA or black IPA (which ever name you prefer). I was wondering what everyone would suggest i use for hops and at what times to put them in. also what i should use for dry hopping.

The black butte clone recipe is as follows: Edited to what I brewed.

6.6lbs Amber LME
1lb Light DME
10oz Special Roast Malt Grain
1/2lb 10l crystal malt grain
3/4lb midnight wheat malt
1/4lb wheat malt
1oz Warrior hops (60 min)
1oz Cascade Hops (60 min)
1tsp Irish Moss (60 min)
1oz Fuggle (randomly after 15 min)
White Lab British Ale yeast (made starter)

Dry Hops with 2oz pellet Ahtanum

Target OG 1.064
Corrected OG 1.063

Thanks for the help everyone.

SilverZero

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You should bump up the malt a bit to get into IPA territory as far as fermentables, but the real alteration will be adding some more back-end hops. I'm not good at suggesting varieties, but you'll want a few oz split between 30, 15, 1, and flameout additions, plus 2-4oz of something you like for dry hopping. Just my opinion.

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NAUGHTYDOGBREWING

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Thanks silver.

Does anyone have any input on how much dme to use to bump the gravity and what type?

As for hops my favorites in an ipa are citrus C's.but I don't know how these will be in a cda. Does anyone have any input on what hop verities work well with cda's?

Keffa

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30 minute additions don't do much for flavor or aroma, they more or less add bitterness without adding anything else. 20 minutes and less is where you want to be.

As to what to add, Simcoe is a good choice, if you can find some, as would be Centennial or Citra. Deschutes Hop in the Dark is a fantastic BIPA (I don't give a damn, it's a black IPA to me, even if it's an oxymoron of nomenclature). It uses oats and crystal malts, and is 75 IBU according to Deschutes' website. That'd be a starting point.


Good luck.

NAUGHTYDOGBREWING

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Thanks for the thoughts. centennial are my favorite hops in an ipa I just didn't know how they would fit a CDA. I'll add some to the end of the boil. Should I just completely replace the hops that came with my kit? Or use them and just add more?

Still wondering what to boost og with. Any thoughts on this are welcome.

Thanks again everyone.

Keffa

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I recommend finding and trying Hop in the Dark if you haven't already. That's a damn good CDA/BIPA, and it's got a good bit of both pine and citrus character, at least it did to my palate.

SilverZero

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One pound of DME will add 44 points to 1 gallon, or 8.8 points to 5 gallons. (44 points per pound per gallon.) LME will add 37 PPG, so one pound of LME will add 7.4 points to 5 gallons.

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I'm sort of a noob and that lost me. I'm guessing that's on the hydrometer?

SilverZero

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Yep. If you're at 1.040 and you add 1 pound DME to a 5-gallon batch, your new gravity would be 1.048(8). You'd have to know your OG, which would call for a hydrometer. Or just dump in a pound, it will strengthen the malt a bit and add some alcohol.

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so if i add one more 3.3lb jar of lme it will boost me to about 1.076 which i'm sure my math is wrong about 7.6abv? Do you think this would be too much? that would make the total amount of LME 9.9lbs, sounds like a lot to me. Maybe just add about 2lbs of DME? i want the alcohol to be a little higher like an ipa. i think I have The hops about figured out. With that high of an og i will make a larger starter than i did last time which was about 450ML if i remember correctly it had i think a half cup of dme in it. for aerating i'm using pure o2 i hope that will also help the yeast kick off.

Does anyone have any opinions on this good or bad? I'm still pretty new with only about 5 batches under my belt and i recently started doing full boils, cooling down to correct pitching temps, adding pure o2, using a yeast starter and fermenting mid 60's. I'm hoping this will improve my beers because my last few have not been very good. I also was extremely obsessive about sanitizing everything.

Please if this is starting to look crazy like too much extract or anything let me know so i dont end up with something that is undesirable.