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Old 01-29-2012, 07:36 PM   #31
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Why the change in the hop schedule?

Based on the quote from 2 Bros, they brewed this as normal but got a much higher efficiency than expected, thus the imperial C&E, which would imply that they used the standard hop schedule. So to recreate this you would have 1 of 2 options:

1.) Increase the efficiency of your brew rig to bump the ABV up.
2.) Increase the base malts to hit the new target ABV.

You appear to have increased both the hops and the malts, which while I'm sure it will still be a tasty brew, I'm not sure if that would be the best approach if you are trying to recreate 2 Brothers mistake that created the Imperial C&E.

That said, keep me posted as I'm curious how your version turns out.


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Old 01-29-2012, 11:20 PM   #32
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I guess I was nosing around on probrewer and ran across some discussions on scaling pilot batches and how hop utilization varies with equipment. It looks like a wild card as the pros are dialing in new gear.
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"As an example, the author has found that a value of 3.4 is appropriate in his brewery when scaling a 10 gallon recipe to a batch of 17 barrels. However, this may be completely different on your system, and we urge you experiment with a known recipe and "tweak" this number until the IBU values reflect accurate, known values."
Since 2B overshot the ABV, I figure the alpha might have been higher too.

Also, guessing this one might need to condition longer I'd like to frontload to offset some of the decay. Ive never done a RIIPA, so more research and feedback is certainly needed before brew day.

Thanks!
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Old 01-30-2012, 01:09 AM   #33
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Don't want to lose this recipe so I'm now subscribed. .
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Old 02-20-2012, 12:44 AM   #34
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I am going to brew this beer this week I am going to change up the hops tho since ZI can not get simcoe I am going to use Falconers flight

BeerSmith Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
Recipe: #69 Hop Rod Toad
Brewer: Drew Morgan
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Style: Specialty Beer
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0)

Recipe Specifications
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Batch Size (fermenter): 6.00 gal
Boil Size: 7.50 gal
Bottling Volume: 5.50 gal
Estimated OG: 1.074 SG
Estimated Color: 14.2 SRM
Estimated IBU: 61.3 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00 %
Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
10 lbs 8.0 oz Pilsner (2 Row) Ger (2.0 SRM) Grain 2 66.6 %
1 lbs 8.0 oz Rye Malt (4.7 SRM) Grain 3 9.5 %
8.3 oz Munich Malt (9.0 SRM) Grain 6 3.3 %
8.3 oz Melanoiden Malt (20.0 SRM) Grain 5 3.3 %
2.2 oz Black (Patent) Malt (500.0 SRM) Grain 8 0.9 %
8.3 oz Crystal Rye Malt (49.0 SRM) Grain 7 3.3 %
1 lbs 0.7 oz Thai Palm Sugar [Boil for75 min](3.0 SRM Sugar 16 6.6 %
0.77 oz Falconers Flight [11.40 %] - Boil 60.0 m Hop 9 33.5 IBUs
1 lbs 0.6 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 20L (20.0 SRM) Grain 4 6.6 %
0.51 oz Falconers Flight [11.40 %] - Boil 30.0 m Hop 10 11.4 IBUs
0.51 oz Falconers Flight [11.40 %] - Boil 25.0 m Hop 11 9.0 IBUs
1.00 oz Falconers Flight [11.40 %] - Boil 0.0 mi Hop 13 0.0 IBUs
0.50 oz Falconers Flight [11.40 %] - Boil 20.0 m Hop 12 7.4 IBUs
1.0 pkg Northwest Ale (Wyeast Labs #1332) [124.2 Yeast 14 -
1.25 tsp Yeast Nutrient (Primary 3.0 days) Other 15 -
0.50 tsp Lactic Acid (Mash 60.0 mins) Water Agent 1 -


Mash Schedule: Temperature Mash, 1 Step, Medium Body
Total Grain Weight: 15 lbs 12.4 oz
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Name Description Step Temperat Step Time
Saccharification Add 18.42 qt of water at 163.7 F 152.0 F 60 min
Mash Out Add 0.00 qt of water and heat to 168.0 168.0 F 10 min
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Old 02-23-2012, 11:38 PM   #35
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What kind of FG do you guys get with WLP005? I hit mash temps and SG but the little limeys yeasties ran it down to 1.010.

Also, Two Brothers is bringing back 14 old brews as part of their anniversary - maybe one will be Imperial Cane & Ebel.
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Old 02-24-2012, 01:59 AM   #36
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Bookmarked for future reference! FYI, if any of you like their Resistance IPA then look for some threads I started on it and you'll find the recipe I got from them. These two are some of my favorite beers!
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The wife and I just went to Two Brother's Roundhouse yesterday for lunch. This is one of my favorites. I'm a newbie to brewing and just have a couple of beers under my belt. Does anyone have suggestions for converting this to an all extract recipe?
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The wife and I just went to Two Brother's Roundhouse yesterday for lunch. This is one of my favorites. I'm a newbie to brewing and just have a couple of beers under my belt. Does anyone have suggestions for converting this to an all extract recipe?
You cant do an all extract batch because of the rye malt. You need to do a partial mash.
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Old 02-28-2012, 12:00 AM   #39
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Northern Brewer has a rye malr extract but no way to get the simpsons crystal rye as brewtime said above unless you minimash.

Don't fear the mash tun. What better excuse to jump up to all grain? You might do a simple recipe first to get the feel for things but its beer... not rocket science.
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The wife and I just went to Two Brother's Roundhouse yesterday for lunch. This is one of my favorites. I'm a newbie to brewing and just have a couple of beers under my belt. Does anyone have suggestions for converting this to an all extract recipe?
I agree, you need to mini-mash this one. I use this mini-mash recipe. I've made it twice. First time it was very very close in all aspects. The second, I didn't mash long enough (I think that's where I went wrong) and the OG was low, but still tasty. If you have a kettle 12qt or bigger, a thermometer, and an extra hour you can do this using a brew in a bag approach. There's a good stovetop mini-mash tutorial around here somewhere that will help.

Amount Item Type % or IBU
4.00 lb Extra Light Dry Extract (3.0 SRM) Dry Extract 40.06 %
2.13 lb Pilsner (2 Row) Ger (2.0 SRM) Grain 21.36 %
1.35 lb Rye Malt (4.7 SRM) Grain 13.56 %
0.90 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM) Grain 9.01 %
0.45 lb Munich Malt (9.0 SRM) Grain 4.50 %
0.32 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (40.0 SRM) Grain 3.25 %
0.32 lb Melanoiden Malt (20.0 SRM) Grain 3.25 %
0.25 oz Warrior [15.00 %] (60 min) Hops 12.0 IBU
2.00 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] (Dry Hop 3 days) Hops -
0.25 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] (60 min) Hops 11.2 IBU
0.50 oz Warrior [15.00 %] (25 min) Hops 16.7 IBU
0.25 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] (25 min) Hops 7.8 IBU
0.50 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] (20 min) Hops 12.6 IBU
0.50 lb Thai Palm Sugar (8.0 SRM) Sugar 5.01 %
1 Pkgs British Ale (Wyeast Labs #1098) [Starter 1000 ml] Yeast-Ale


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