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Old 01-12-2013, 02:27 AM   #1
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Default Can you help - my Cream Stout was TERRIBLE...

Here was my recipe:

2.50 gal Deer Park (R), Bottled Water Water 1 -
3.50 lb Pale Malt, Maris Otter (3.0 SRM) Grain 2 56.5 %
0.75 lb Chocolate Malt (225.0 SRM) Grain 3 12.1 %
0.75 lb Wheat Malt, Ger (2.0 SRM) Grain 4 12.1 %
0.50 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 5 8.1 %
0.20 lb Black Barley (Stout) (500.0 SRM) Grain 6 3.2 %
0.50 lb Milk Sugar (Lactose) (0.0 SRM) Sugar 7 8.1 %
0.27 oz Magnum [14.70 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 8 23.3 IBUs
0.50 oz Saaz [2.40 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 9 2.3 IBUs

2.5 gallon batch

Single infusion - fly sparge, bottle carb with corn sugar...

Primary for 3 weeks, bottle for 3 weeks (and four days)

Has a very light taste - doesn't taste like a stout. Sorta tastes like a black light beer. Also has a VERY sour taste, almost like stale milk... Everything was purchased fresh, lactose SHOULD be good... I was really going for a nice, thick milk stout...

Did I use too little grain? The wrong base malt? Too much lactose? Any suggestions would be much appreciated.

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Old 01-12-2013, 06:09 AM   #2
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That's a lot of dark grain for such a small batch! The sour taste is probably the acids from all that dark grain. That's about the amount I would use in a 5 gallon batch.

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Old 01-12-2013, 02:59 PM   #3
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That's a lot of dark grain for such a small batch! The sour taste is probably the acids from all that dark grain. That's about the amount I would use in a 5 gallon batch.
Agreed. My dark beers contain ~.5lb of each black grain for 5 gallons. Your recipe nearly doubles the percent of each grain in the grain bill. Kyle
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That said, if you let it age for a while it will probably smooth out a bit.

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The main reason it tastes light is u dont have enough diastic power. U need 75% min base malt; pale, maris otter, 2 row or 6 row. Those malts allow u to use specialty grains, otherwise u are making TEA, like chamomile.....not beer. Do this nextime:

80% base malt
7.5 % roasted malt
5% chocolate
2.5 % crystal
2% black patent
3% wheat
Hops added at boil
Mash around 153-55 for 2-3 hours.

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Old 01-13-2013, 01:55 AM   #6
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Oh yeah and drop all the lactose, this only for milk stouts, up to 1lb for a 5 gallon batch.

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But u did want a cream stout so drop the crystal and swap in the lactose

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The main reason it tastes light is u dont have enough diastic power. U need 75% min base malt; pale, maris otter, 2 row or 6 row. Those malts allow u to use specialty grains, otherwise u are making TEA, like chamomile.....not beer. Do this nextime:

80% base malt
7.5 % roasted malt
5% chocolate
2.5 % crystal
2% black patent
3% wheat
Hops added at boil
Mash around 153-55 for 2-3 hours.
That makes no sense at all, and is terrible advice.

You have plenty of base malt to convert, and mashing for 2-3 hours is more than ridiculous. Either someone is fooling with you, or is ignorant of brewing so please ignore this advice.

The recipe isn't bad. With that much black barley, it should taste stout-like, but if you want a nice roasty stout you should use roasted barley. That's more of a porter recipe. If it's "sour", that could be a sign of infection.
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That makes no sense at all, and is terrible advice.

You have plenty of base malt to convert, and mashing for 2-3 hours is more than ridiculous. Either someone is fooling with you, or is ignorant of brewing so please ignore this advice.

The recipe isn't bad. With that much black barley, it should taste stout-like, but if you want a nice roasty stout you should use roasted barley. That's more of a porter recipe. If it's "sour", that could be a sign of infection.
Lactobacillus infection makes for sour flavors. Watch your sanitation
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If the nose has a slight sweaty note then it is likely lacto. As for the thin quality I don't think you mentioned your mash temp.

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