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Old 02-09-2007, 04:20 PM   #1
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So I have done a couple extract kits, and they are resonable priced at roughly $25. I found a nice recipe I wanted to try for my next batch so I could graduate from the basic extract kits. I priced out all the ingredients on AHBS and it was about $40-$50! I didn't thinkt he recipe was anything special, it was the Blue Moon clone I have seen floating around.

My question: is this a typical price to pay for ingredients for a batch? I was under the assumption once I started buying my own ingredients it would be cheaper. Does it only get cheaper when you start buying in bulk and weighing out enough malt (for example) for your batch?

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Old 02-09-2007, 04:27 PM   #2
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If you are using extract, 40 bucks isnt out of the ordinary from what I have seen, but then again, I have never used it. I have found that all grain kits vs buying the malt separate, is the same, about 17-22 bucks for 5 gallons. Once you start using AG, your costs will be halved...


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Old 02-09-2007, 04:29 PM   #3
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I made an Oatmeal Choco Stout this past week with 12lbs of grain, none of it BULK... and it cost me $18 with grain, hops, and yeast... again, that was not a bulk price either...


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Old 02-09-2007, 04:34 PM   #4
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Okay I just looked at AHBS... they are all in the $20 range, but the heaviest beer I saw was 1.044 for an OG... that is pretty light for thier heaviest extract kit. Like I said, my impression was that extract was much more expensive than AG when brewing a comparable beer. My Oatmeal Choco Stout had an OG of 1.062 for 18 bucks with all the fixins....

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Old 02-09-2007, 04:48 PM   #5
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I buy DME and hops in bulk.

Let's say I paid $140. for 55# (not including shipping cost because there were lots more supplies ordered)...that's about 2.55/lb. Let's say I use 6 lbs...that's $15.30...and 9 batches from a box...

Hops are about $12.00/lb..or .75 an oz. I use about 1 oz per batch.

That's $16.30. I rewash most of my yeast. I get 4 batches from the 1st batch. (that's 5) and 4 more from each of the 4 that's 16 more and 4 more per/from the 3rd generation. So, to keep it simple let's say I only get 12 uses out of 1 vial costing $7.95 / 12 = $0.66

That's just under $16.00 a batch for about 37 0,5 liter bottles. At any beer store you can find Hefe Weizen (my favorite style and I brew a lot of it) ranging from 1.85 to 2.45...that's $68.45 to $90.65. If I got 4 minikegs that would be what? $18.00 per or $72.00, but all this is just rough guessing.

Since I get 9 batches from a box and 16 oz from a lb of hops all I have to do is make 2 batches and I am already past the break even point. If I upped the malt to 7 lbs I'm still getting 7 plus batches. The rest is just free beer!
Good deal? I think so.

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Old 02-09-2007, 04:54 PM   #6
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HB99 where do you get bulk DME like that, I've never seen it that cheap

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HB99 where do you get bulk DME like that, I've never seen it that cheap
I'm not sure of HB99's source but http://midwestsupplies.com and http://www.grapeandgranary.com both have Muntons for this price. Grape and Granary also has Briess for $115/50#.

On a related question I notice some HBS have Briess malt extract for considerably less than Munton's and others. Is there much difference in the quality of beer with using these extracts?

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Old 02-11-2007, 03:25 AM   #8
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I am also thinking of buying bulk from Grape & Granery. That place is first class in my book. I have never got anything but top notch grains, crushed perfectly from them so far. I tried my LHBS for grains and thats how I realized the difference of good and garbage. I will never use my LHBS again for grains. I am going to buy a 50lb bag of light from them this week I think.

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I get it from midwestsupplies...it's kind of a special request, but they've come through every time.

They just have to order it because not many people order that much....and I have to wait a week or so, so I order in advance.

I've ordered 3 boxes once (165#)...wife went wacky because she can't move them...so much for the hand truck in the garage...

Briess vs Muntons...Muntons is more fermentable.

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