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Old 07-19-2011, 08:20 PM   #11
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Bohemian by definition, unless referring to inhabitants of the area means unconventional in appearance, behavior, etc.

I would assume the style of this beer comes from the very notion of being different from a traditional pilsner.... make sense?

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Old 07-19-2011, 10:37 PM   #12
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Just for the sake of argument, this is a qualitative "opinionized unquantifiable words" from wiki

"Modern versions of English IPAs generally pale in comparison (pun intended) to their ancestors. The term "IPA" is loosely applied in commercial English beers today, and has been (incorrectly) used in beers below 4% ABV."

Hey atleast I'm not making a 3.5% abv beer and slapping an IPA label on it.

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Old 07-19-2011, 10:57 PM   #13
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Bohemian by definition, unless referring to inhabitants of the area means unconventional in appearance, behavior, etc.

I would assume the style of this beer comes from the very notion of being different from a traditional pilsner.... make sense?
Bohemian pilsners are named such because they originated in Bohemia. Bohemia is a region of the now Czech Republic. The style is actually the original Pilsner, seeing as it takes its name from Pilsen.
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Hey atleast I'm not making a 3.5% abv beer and slapping an IPA label on it.
if it had the hops to back it, I don't think anyone would argue its merit as an IPA. it'd just be a session IPA. this brew, however, just doesnt have the level of hops to make it an IPA. its a spiced pale ale.

btw, in the case of a boh pils, its referring to the region, not being unconventional
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Old 07-19-2011, 11:08 PM   #15
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By who's standards now though lol

... And if someone says Homebrewing wiki, or BJCP style guidlines I'm gonna slap 3.5% abv labels on IPA's...

I understand where everyone is coming from, when I think of IPA's I think a really thick hopped beer. But my goal was to tone down an IPA for the summer, still within BJCP style guidelines, and price effective, accordingly.

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Bohemian pilsners are named such because they originated in Bohemia. Bohemia is a region of the now Czech Republic. The style is actually the original Pilsner, seeing as it takes its name from Pilsen.
Yes, a Bohemian Pilsner IS a recognized beer style, style #2B, with certain characteristics that make it a BoPils.

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By who's standards now though lol

... And if someone says Homebrewing wiki, or BJCP style guidlines I'm gonna slap 3.5% abv labels on IPA's...

I understand where everyone is coming from, when I think of IPA's I think a really thick hopped beer. But my goal was to tone down an IPA for the summer, still within BJCP style guidelines, and price effective, accordingly.
Just like an American IPA (style #14B) has style guidelines. You can "think of a really thick hopped beer" but that isn't the style anyway. If you want to make an IPA, you really have to have the late hopping. You can make any beer in any way you want, and that's one of the great things about brewing. But it's not very nice to attack people who simply point out that there aren't enough late hops to make a "real" IPA.
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L'sigh... you rock my face off sometimes, you know that Yoop? HAHA

But seriously, it's true. You need late hop additions (and plenty of them) in a proper IPA. You're making an ESB or something.

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If there is more to style than the numbers how come you are only quoting quantitative values in my thread?
I quoted both quantitative (1 oz of hops) and qualitative (added late in the boil) properties of your recipe. Either one is meaningless without the other.

But I don't understand why you got so defensive about it. There's nothing wrong with brewing a beer that doesn't neatly fit into a style. I do brew the 4% ABV 'IPA' that you described and I completely agree that it's not an IPA, but it's delicious and I don't care that it doesn't fit a style.
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I quoted both quantitative (1 oz of hops) and qualitative (added late in the boil) properties of your recipe. Either one is meaningless without the other.

But I don't understand why you got so defensive about it. There's nothing wrong with brewing a beer that doesn't neatly fit into a style. I do brew the 4% ABV 'IPA' that you described and I completely agree that it's not an IPA, but it's delicious and I don't care that it doesn't fit a style.
10 Barrel in Bend, OR is doing a lower ABV IPA, and calling it an ISA (India-Style Session Ale).
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L'sigh... you rock my face off sometimes, you know that Yoop? HAHA

But seriously, it's true. You need late hop additions (and plenty of them) in a proper IPA. You're making an ESB or something.
I was thinking I'd call it an ESB too.
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