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Old 12-23-2009, 08:06 PM   #1
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Ok, so i was reading a thread on here about black IPAs and rememberd how much i love midnight sun brewing co.'s XXX aniversary black IPA.

I found a little information about it on their site. click here and from that came up with the following 3 gal AG recipe.

I am pretty new at formulating recipes and just took my best guess on the amounts. The original is a nice semi-hoppy dark beer, with a good mouth feel, not thin, nice malty almost coffe touch to it.

here is my shot, i would love for some more experienced recipe artists to chime in and help me out. I would like to brew this in the next month or so.

Type: All Grain
Batch Size: 3.00 gal
Boil Size: 4.50 gal
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00

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5 lbs 8.0 oz Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 62.86 %
2 lbs Wheat Malt, Bel (2.0 SRM) Grain 22.86 %
8.0 oz Barley, Flaked (1.7 SRM) Grain 5.71 %
8.0 oz Special B Malt (180.0 SRM) Grain 5.71 %
4.0 oz Carafa III (525.0 SRM) Grain 2.86 %

0.50 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] (90 min) Hops 42.1 IBU
0.50 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] (30 min) Hops 30.2 IBU
0.50 oz Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] (10 min) Hops 8.7 IBU
0.50 oz Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] (5 min) Hops 4.8 IBU

1.00 oz Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops -

1 Pkgs Nottingham Yeast (Lallemand #-) Yeast-Ale

Est Original Gravity: 1.078 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.019
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 7.84 %
Bitterness: 85.8 IBU
Est Color: 29.9 SRM


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Old 12-24-2009, 06:07 AM   #2
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5 lbs 8.0 oz Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 62.86 %
2 lbs Wheat Malt, Bel (2.0 SRM) Grain 22.86 %
8.0 oz Barley, Flaked (1.7 SRM) Grain 5.71 %
8.0 oz Special B Malt (180.0 SRM) Grain 5.71 %
4.0 oz Carafa III (525.0 SRM) Grain 2.86 %
I've not had this beer, so keep that in mind (other midnight sun products are good though!)

23% seems quite high for wheat malt. Malted wheat is usually used for fuller mouthfeel, but too much and you get hazy, sweetish beer. I would adjust downwards to 8oz and make up the difference with 2-row.

The carafa is almost certainly cold-steeped or a late mash addition. Almost every black IPA I've had the pleasure to sample was quite dark but had little roasted flavor. You can get that effect by finely grinding the carafa and adding it in the last 10 minutes of the mash.

Hop schedule looks nice.

Hope this helps.
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Old 12-24-2009, 06:11 AM   #3
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I am by no means an expert, but a Black IPA should differ from the traditional in nothing other than color, hence the Carafa. Other color adding grains may impart a flavor that is not IPA'ish.

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Old 12-24-2009, 03:15 PM   #4
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I've not had this beer, so keep that in mind (other midnight sun products are good though!)

23% seems quite high for wheat malt. Malted wheat is usually used for fuller mouthfeel, but too much and you get hazy, sweetish beer. I would adjust downwards to 8oz and make up the difference with 2-row.

The carafa is almost certainly cold-steeped or a late mash addition. Almost every black IPA I've had the pleasure to sample was quite dark but had little roasted flavor. You can get that effect by finely grinding the carafa and adding it in the last 10 minutes of the mash.

Hop schedule looks nice.

Hope this helps.
After doing a little more reading it appears that you are correct, the carafa should be steeped for just the color.

I will look at lowering the wheat content.

thank you for the input.

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I am by no means an expert, but a Black IPA should differ from the traditional in nothing other than color, hence the Carafa. Other color adding grains may impart a flavor that is not IPA'ish.
With this particular beer it does have a bit of a roasty almost coffee note to it. I would think this would come from the special B, but could be wrong. I have not used Carafa much so i am not sure exactly what flovor it will impart.

I think this one will take a few attempts to get it right, but that is what brewing is all about.
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You can leave the carafa in the whole mash as long as it is carafa "special" III (dehusked) which it likely is if you bought it in N. America. It adds very little roasted flavor. It will give a little chocolate malt type flavor and dryness in the finish (if that makes sense). I would leave it in the whole time to get as much of that as possible, it won't be a ton.

I happen to be in the camp that thinks a dark IPA should have roasted flavor. If you just wanted color, it seems easier to just get some Sinamar extract and brew a normal IPA and color some of it up. I think it is more interesting to make a completely different beer.

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I made the Black Ale in my sig with Carafa II and there is a nearly imperceptable roast flavor that turned out quite nice.

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I would drop the special B and up the carafe. 8oz as a minimum, 1 pound for a truly black beer.

I use carafe quite a bit and 1/2 to 1 pound adds that mild coffee flavor that you are looking for. I always just add it to the mash like any other grain.

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I would drop the special B and up the carafe. 8oz as a minimum, 1 pound for a truly black beer.

I use carafe quite a bit and 1/2 to 1 pound adds that mild coffee flavor that you are looking for. I always just add it to the mash like any other grain.
OP is trying to recreate the Midnight Sun version, which has Special B according to the website.
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I would drop the special B and up the carafe. 8oz as a minimum, 1 pound for a truly black beer.

I use carafe quite a bit and 1/2 to 1 pound adds that mild coffee flavor that you are looking for. I always just add it to the mash like any other grain.
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OP is trying to recreate the Midnight Sun version, which has Special B according to the website.
dwarven_stout is correct, i pulled the ingredien list off the breweries site. I think this is going to be my winter project. I will brew this up a few times and vary the ingredients until i get it close to the original.

alecoholic, you are saying that the carafe will add a slight roasty coffee tone to the beer? the original has that slight coffee taste to the finish, and i think it is what makes this beer have the little extra. This is only a 3 gal recipe, would you still go with the 1/2 to 1 lb of carafe? i don't wanth the roast to be to over powering, but i want it to be there.
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Northern Brewer has a Black IPA kit and you can check out the recipe and compare your grain bill to theirs. Not sure if this will help, but I just read your post and remembered seeing this kit.

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