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Old 02-14-2009, 01:45 PM   #1
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Hello my friends,

I am about to try DubbelDach's Orange Honey Hefeweizen.

I am culturing two yeasts I've found in commercial hefeweizen beers. Not decided which one to use.

Then I read this quote:

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I have found that I like 68-70F for the 3068...much above that and it get banana-y.
He is talking about a different yeast (wyeast 3068), but he talks about the "banana-y" as it is something common.

Could somebody please explain to me what this is?

Thank you.

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Old 02-14-2009, 01:53 PM   #2
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This is the same yeast as WLP300, ferment temps of about 72F will get some banana esthers going. Some don't like this, I happen to like this flavor and intentionally ferment around 72-74F, it is a very subtle flavor to me. The link below is a great reference as to where Wyeast and White Labs get their yeast strains from.

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Old 02-14-2009, 02:05 PM   #3
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Thank you. Until now I have been fermenting my other beers in aprox 80 degrees, if I do this for this weissbeer-yeast, will it potentially ruin the beer with banana flavour? I dont mind some banana flavour, but I would not like it to be overly dominant.

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Yikes! 80F is very warm. Are you noticing any fusel or other off flavors at that temp? I'd think you might get a lot of banana notes that warm, the warmest I've tried WLP300 at is a high of 78F during the 10 days of fermenting. One day or two that warm may not be too bad. I'm sure others will chime in with their experiences.

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Old 02-14-2009, 02:18 PM   #5
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I dont know, I've not had a chance to sample my beers yet, I am very new to this game.

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Old 02-14-2009, 02:22 PM   #6
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I just used the Dry Safbrew WB-06 in a hefeweizen at 72° and the banana esters are PERFECT for my taste. The nose is more prevalent than the taste but it's good.

kingoslo: IS there a micro near you than serves fresh Hefeweizen? If so, theirs probably has the banana aroma and flavor.

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Old 02-14-2009, 02:41 PM   #7
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Yikes! 80F is very warm. Are you noticing any fusel or other off flavors at that temp? I'd think you might get a lot of banana notes that warm, the warmest I've tried WLP300 at is a high of 78F during the 10 days of fermenting. One day or two that warm may not be too bad. I'm sure others will chime in with their experiences.

I just drank some belgian strong ale from my primary. Please let me what off flavours are like, and I let you know if there are any.
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He is talking about a different yeast (wyeast 3068), but he talks about the "banana-y" as it is something common.

Could somebody please explain to me what this is?
It is not a 100% rule, but it is common for weizen yeasts tend to throw clove flavors at lower temps (say 60F) and throw banana flavors at higher temps (say 70F). 80F would likely be heavy banana (colloquially known as a "banana bomb") and may have unpleasant off-flavors like "rocket fuel" or hot flavors.

80F is probably too warm for good results in homebrewing, unless you are working with styles/yeasts that like heat like saison, farmhouse, etc. (help me out here, guys, I don't know much about these). You can do the wet tshirt trick to wick away heat and get it to 75F. You could put a fan blowing on the shirt and probably drop it to 70F which is what a doctor might call high-normal.
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Thank you all of you!

This information was great!

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kingoslo - clear out your PMs... I can't reply to your last one, so I will do so here:

The vodka acts as a solvent and extracts the flavor from the peels. No nasty impact whatsoever. Ideal, really. And then yes - the orange vodka is sterile and safe to add to the beer. Add enough vodka to cover the peels... 1 cup maybe?

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I think 70-75 is perfect for hefes... I like a little banana flavor in mine. 80F is too warm. If you're stuck with 80F temps, try a saison. They flourish from 80-85F.

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