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Old 11-03-2007, 02:05 PM   #11
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Hmmmm. Thanks. I know my clone won't really be a clone- I'll have to call it something like, "In the spirit of AB".

So, no one answered the question about MH or FWH. Would that smooth out some of the harshness of the chinook? What about centennial for the flavor hops? Maybe same type of flavor with less harshness?

I think I'm going to have to give this clone a try.

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Old 11-03-2007, 02:21 PM   #12
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One of the guys in the Oregon Brew Crew did extensive research on FWH and decided it made no difference at all. However, he did not submit the variations to a certified tasting panel.

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I had some beers last week with a friend of mine that works for Stone. Here is what I can share.
Stone only uses pellet hops.
They do not use any cascade hops in any of their beer.
It is highly unlikely that they do any form of MH, or FWH.
Chinook and Centennial are key elements most of their core products.

The key to here is a good balance of Chinook/Centennial in the kettle in order to avoid the high alpha harshness that it may exude.

EDIT: I think a 90 minute boil is appropriate here.

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Old 11-03-2007, 05:07 PM   #14
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I have made this recipe and the 120L Chinook combination is the bomb. The recipe is really close. Although, I add more chinook because after a month in the bottles it doesn't have the punch it needs anymore.

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Old 11-03-2007, 08:10 PM   #15
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Thanks for all the input! I'll have to add chinook to my shopping list. I don't think I have any right now.

Again, thanks!

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Brewpastor thought AB was brewed with a completely different grain bill that I have seen in any other post (http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f5/oaked...28/#post165294)

Also using cenntenial hops, not chinook.

Do you think this may be a closer clone to AB?

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Chinook and Centennial are key elements most of their core products.

The key to here is a good balance of Chinook/Centennial in the kettle in order to avoid the high alpha harshness that it may exude.

EDIT: I think a 90 minute boil is appropriate here.
My son loves the whole lot of Bastards. I heard the same thing about mixing Chinook and centennial. I'm working on a low grav version here http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f12/plea...-recipe-91499/. Judging by this comment, I'm way overboard with the centennial and will probably tweak it back so its 40/60.

Yooper: The 90 min boil is to get fuller bitter-ing utilization right?
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OK... So, knowing it's better to age most bigger beers a little more... and knowing that bastard clones tend to "mellow" with time... When would you say this beer is optimum. I'm guessing 6 weeks is probably the sweet spot?...

Edit: Another question... Is there any reason not to boil for 60 minutes and just up the hop addition to match the IBU's

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I boil for 90 minutes, because it's a bigger beer and I need to get my boil volume down a bit. I've done it with 60 minutes, though, and it was just about the same, as far as the taste.

I like it about 6-8 weeks old. It's still Bastard-y, but mellowed a bit. Chinooks can be harsh, but with just a little age, I love it.

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I'm the exception to the rule on this site as I like big hoppy beers young. I've had IPA's at 16-20 days from brewing and to me it's at its best. There is very little bittering difference between 60 and 90 minutes

Chinook are great





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