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Old 04-02-2011, 05:08 PM   #1
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Default Argentine Cascade vs US Cascade

So, I set about to make another batch of Biermuncher's Centennial Blonde in anticipation of the upcoming Summer months. I made 2 major errors. 1stly and foremostly I bought Argentine Cascade hops instead of US Cascade hops. I did not know these things existed. Luckily I noticed the packaging before dumping them in the boil that read, "not to be substituted for US
Cascade, similar to Tettnang or Saaz". The other error was building a recipe on default, theoretical alpha acid percentages and buying hops of significantly lower percentages. I always adjust my AA after brewing and it makes negligible difference but today the percentages were grossly different. I did adjust on the fly to hit close to target IBU however I expect the Argentine Cascade hops to add an unexpected character.

Here is my extract recipe that I intended to brew today:
5.3oz (.33lb) CaraHell/Pils/Dextrine Steeped 20 minutes pre boil
3# - Extra Light DME - 60 minutes
2# - Amber DME - 45 minutes
.5oz Centennial (10%) for 20 minutes
.5oz US Cascade (5.5%) for 15 minutes
.5oz US Cascade (5.5%) for 10 minutes
.5oz Centennial (10%) for 5 minutes
SafAle US-05
Will dry hop 1oz ea US Cascade and Centennial after 2 weeks for 7 days.
Calculated OG 1.044


Here is what ended up actually taking place:
5.3oz (.33lb) CaraHell/Pils/Dextrine steeped 20 minutes pre boil
3# - Extra Light DME - 60 minutes
2# - Amber DME - 45 minutes
1oz Argentine Cascade (3.2%) for 20 minutes
.5oz US Cascade (5.0%) for 15 minutes
.5oz US Cascade (5.0%) for 10 minutes
.5oz Centennial (8.7%) for 10 minutes
.5oz Centennial (8.7%) for 5 minutes
SafAle US-05
Will dry hop 1oz ea US Cascade and Centennial after 2 weeks for 7 days.
Actual OG = 1.048 (calculated 1.044)

Note original recipe calculated 19.2 IBU and the actual recipe calculates 19.6 IBU so I seem to be on target in that regard. I just have zero experience with Argentine Cascade and being so late in the boil I expect it to not just be bittering but have some flavor characteristics.

Any speculation as to what may result?

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Old 04-02-2011, 05:35 PM   #2
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I've never brewed with Argentinian cascades myself, but I've had some homebrews that have used them and the consensus was that they taste like insect repellent in large amounts. Though I doubt 1 oz at 20 min would impart that much flavor when you are using cascade and centennial too.

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Old 04-02-2011, 06:25 PM   #3
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It's spicy/rustic/earthy not citrus. I do like them. In your recipe it should give a nice underlining spicy flavor. It's going to be way over the top hop flavor for a blond ale (not your mistake it's just the recipe.)

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Don't do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Argentinian Cascades are the nastiest hop on the planet, in fact I thought they were no longer available except to be used by certain black ops forces as chemical warfare....Danger will robinson....I chronicle my experiences with it here.

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Too late Revvy. It seems he brewed it. Any way I bet I could brew up a SMaSH that would make you drink those words.

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Too late Revvy. It seems he brewed it. Any way I bet I could brew up a SMaSH that would make you drink those words.
Well you were the only other person I know who brewed with it (back when you used to be conroe) I was going to finish the post and mention that you once told me to use half the amount that a calculator shows because of the bitterness. But I'm in a surgical waiting room waiting on word for a family member, and the surgeon came in to talk to me, so I hit post before completing my thoughts on it....
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It's a done deal, yeast was pitched when I first posted. Sad to hear I boiled in "insect repellant". I'm such a cheap bastard that instead of tossing the hops and opening something I had onhand like Columbus or Amarillo I steeled myself to use the bag I had opened. I'll try to remember to report on what this stuff turns out like in a few weeks. Now I have to go buy some US Cascade for the dry hop. I may just do 2oz of Centennial instead of 1oz ea Centennial/Cascade. I think the combo may better override the "insect repellant" though.

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I wonder if it makes you get drunk in spanish...

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It's a done deal, yeast was pitched when I first posted. Sad to hear I boiled in "insect repellant". I'm such a cheap bastard that instead of tossing the hops and opening something I had onhand like Columbus or Amarillo I steeled myself to use the bag I had opened. I'll try to remember to report on what this stuff turns out like in a few weeks. Now I have to go buy some US Cascade for the dry hop. I may just do 2oz of Centennial instead of 1oz ea Centennial/Cascade. I think the combo may better override the "insect repellant" though.
Dredging this thread back up to reconsider my dry hop options in the recipe you can find above.

I am thinking of again being a cheap bastard and using what is onhand but I fear overhopping the beer. The more I think about it it sounds good, though. Looking for opinions.

Instead of dry hopping with:
1oz US Cascade
1oz Centennial

I am thinking dry hop with:
1oz Centennial (8.7%)
1oz Columbus (14%)
1oz Amarillo (??% have to check later)

I suppose I could nix the Amarillo and just stick with Centennial/Columbus but the trifecta sounds delicious. I realize this is a lot of hops but I like hops, especially floral hops and it is the dry hop so if overdone it can be aged out.

BTW, do alpha percentages even matter to the dry hop?
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They taste like cardboard mixed with black dirt stuffed in a sweaty sock. It actually reminds me of what oxidation amplified by 100 would taste like. Really not a good hop. Hopefully your beer is OK and the other hops drown them out.

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