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Old 11-17-2008, 09:07 PM   #1
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Default Apple Ephemere Clone Attempt

This is my first attempt at formulating a recipe, so any help would be greatly appreciated.

I figure Ephemere is essentially a Wit with Apple flavors.

Extract + Steeping grains
6.00 lb Wheat Liquid Extract [Boil for 15 min] Extract 70.59 %
1.00 lb Pilsner DME
1.00 lb White Wheat Malt (2.4 SRM) Grain 11.76 %
0.50 lb Oats, Flaked (1.0 SRM) Grain 5.88 %
1 gallon McIntosh Apple Juice Added into fermenter with wort after boil

Hops
0.25 oz Sorachi Ace [12.30 %] (60 min) Hops 9.1 IBU

Spices
0.75 oz Coriander Seed (Boil 5.0 min) Misc
1.00 oz Orange Peel, Bitter (Boil 15.0 min) Misc
1.50 oz Orange Peel, Sweet (Boil 10.0 min) Misc

Yeast
Wyeast 3463 Forbidden Fruit

After I week I plan on taking a gravity sample to see how it is tasting, if there isn't enough green apple flavor my plan is to copy BYO's Jolly Rancher Apple idea. Essentially I'll take a pack of green apple candies and cook them in some water on the stove. Once it is all liquified and cooled I will rack the beer on top of this and keg.

Any suggestions?

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Old 11-17-2008, 09:41 PM   #2
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I've read that to make the most of the fruit flavor, you should add it to secondary instead.

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Old 01-09-2009, 06:09 PM   #3
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Yeah I would add the fruit juice to secondary, maybe even consider some crushed fruit - like what is used in apple pies.
Also why are you using sorachi ace? I understand that they're high AA and thus can be used in small quantities, but it would be far more authentic to use saaz, fuggles, or something like that with lower AA.

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Old 01-23-2009, 09:44 PM   #4
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so, did you ever go through with your recipe?

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Old 01-25-2009, 08:35 PM   #5
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I'm working on cloning Ephemere too. I started brewing about 6 years ago and have tried anything and everything that sounded good. I've come to especially like Belgian brews because of the "anything goes" attitude. When I discovered Ephemere I knew I had to clone it. I agree that it is basically a Belgian White with apples. With a little advice from Scott at Austin Homebrew I came up with the following recipe as a starting point:

1.25 lbs Belgian Pilsner, 1 lb White Wheat Malt, 0.5 lb Flaked Wheat

5 lbs Liquid Wheat Extract

1.5 oz Strissel Spalt Hops

0.5 oz crushed Coriander

0.5 oz Bitter Orange Peel

4.5 lbs Granny Smith Apples

White Labs Belgian Wit Ale yeast (WLP400)

The mini-mash steeping time is 45 minutes at about 155 F. Drain bag and sparge. Bring wort to boiling and add malt extract. Bring back to boil and add 1 oz Strissel Spalt hops. (Note: Boil is only 30 minutes.) At 15 minutes add Coriander and bitter orange peel. At 5 minutes remaining add 0.5 oz Strissel Spalt hops. Cool down, add water for 5.5 gal, pitch yeast, and seal it up.

I added the apples on Day 3 of primary fermentation. I peeled, cored, and diced the apples before putting them in a sturdy zip lock bag and partially freezing them. The partial freezing makes the next step easier. Crush the apple chunks, let them thaw completely, and add to the wort.

After primary and secondary time I kegged and force carbonated the beer. I ran out of the Scottish Ale that was occupying one half of my kegerator about a week later and the Ephemere clone took its place. In other words, I didn't give it a lot of ageing time!

Yesterday I filled a growler with the homebrew and bought a couple bottles of the real thing before heading off to the homebrew shop for a little comparison test. The consensus was that the real thing had more apple aroma and taste but my clone had more mouthfeel. All agreed that it was darned good beer. My wife said she likes my version better but then she is prejudiced.

I'm doing another batch today. All will be done the same until it comes to adding the apples. This time I will skip the freezing and crushing in favor of just making a puree in the food processor. I will also wait until I rack the beer over into the secondary before addig the apples. Wish me luck.

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Old 04-09-2009, 11:50 AM   #6
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Stormrider - how did your last batch posted above turn out? I'm VERY curious as I've been searching for that "perfect" Ephemere clone... my family loves this beer so much we have been buying it by the case lately, after my failed Apfelwein attempt of cloning the beer... IMHO Apfelwein does not come close to Ephemere in depth and fullness of taste

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Old 04-09-2009, 12:12 PM   #7
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When I was at 2 Brothers Brewery awhile back.. I talked to the brewer about how they make their Avalon Apple Ale.

What he told me is that they actually ferment the apple juice first using champaigne yeast (probably EC-1118) then ad it to the ale.

Have you thought about doing that? Ferment a couple gallons of apple juice using EC-1118 and then ad it in the secondary. This will give it a more profound apple taste. If you put it in the primary, the apple flavor will get lost.

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Old 05-07-2009, 12:48 AM   #8
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GermanBlood,
The second attempt didn't go well. Do NOT puree the apples! It tasted fine but I never got all the apple pulp out of it. Sorry I didn't respond sooner. I think I need to figure out how to get the website to notify me when replies are made.

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Old 05-07-2009, 08:07 PM   #9
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Agh... I'm hoping someone hits on a good recipe/process. My feeble attempt did NOT taste too good when it was racked.

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Old 05-08-2009, 04:26 AM   #10
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Damonic,
Try the recipe I posted above. It's darned close.

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