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AnchorBock 12-18-2012 01:41 PM

Anyone clone 3F's Robert the Bruce?
 
I found a couple of older threads, but it didn't look like anyone had cloned this yet. I found this recipe (below) on another forum that supposedly came from Nick Floyd back in 2004. I can't get this beer here, but a friend has brought some over a couple times and it is one of the best Scottish Ales I've had and I'm a big fan of that style so I'd love to clone this.

I don't know much about 3 Floyds that would help me figure out how to clone this, does anyone else have any input?

Description: Brewed with two row pale, roasted and Melanoidin Magnura malts, Robert the Bruce Scottish Ale is dark copper in color with a nose of chocolate syrup, coffee and sweet malt. The lads balance it nicely with Centennial hops. We found it to be medium-bodied with a big malty body that has a nice balance of hops. It finishes with a lingering bitterness and notes of coffee beans. This beer is a true wintertime delight that warms you with every sip. We recommend drinking this beer with any grilled meat or a chocolate dessert.

OG:17plato (1.070)
FG:5.5plato (1.022)
Ibus:30 All at begining of Boil (Centennial)
90 Minute Boil
MashIn 162 F Hour Rest
Yeast: Fullers

Colour 18 Srm

Malt 85% 2Row US
1%Black Patent UK
1%Roasted UK
5%Caramunich 40 German
3% Crystal 10 US
2% Melanoidin German
3%Crystal 55 UK
Ferment on the cold side 62-65 F

The recipe must have evolved as their brewery has because I have seen a lot of varying OG/FG numbers, but the numbers above look close to me as this does seem to be about a 6.5% beer (I've also read it's 6% and 7%) and this beer has a very full mouthfeel with lots of residual sweetness so a 1.022ish FG seems to be about right. The 3 Floyds website says this is 7%, but most other sites I checked reported it to be closer to 6.5%. I emailed 3F to see if they can confirm the correct ABV for me, didn't ask much else because I've read they're pretty tight lipped about their recipes and typically don't respond to emails.

The grist actually seems about right for this beer, although I come up with 20 SRM in Beersmith as opposed to 18 - guessing there was some rounding going on when the recipe was given.

The 30 IBU seems to be fairly consistent - I don't think it matters too much if you use Centennial or not as a 90 minute bittering addition, I'll either use Centennial or something else fairly clean.

My main concern with this recipe is the mash temp at 162F with an already lower attenuating yeast like 002/1968, I'm thinking 152-154F is probably where I'd target the sach rest at.

I'm planning to brew my first attempt at this in January which will probably be close to the above recipe depending on what else I can find out about this.

weesm 12-19-2012 11:59 PM

I too have been searching for a Robert clone and probably have pulled up the same old threads you have. I got the opportunity to have a few pints last week when I was in Chicago and would love to clone in here on the west coast.

The recipe does sound about right, but I question the mash temp too. To me, the body was pretty light for a Scottish ale and it didn't have the heavy carmely taste which I really enjoyed about Robert.

I'm planning on brewing next week. Mashing around 154 and using 1oz of Saaz as a FWH and 2oz of Fuggles at 90mins to add the spicy notes.

AnchorBock 12-20-2012 12:36 AM

Are you using the grist % above or making adjustments? Ill probably brew what I posted above next week and Ill use centennial @90 since I have some already. For the caramunich 40 I think Ill use Caramunich I which is in the mid 30s.

Still would like to degas a sample to confirm FG but I dont know if Ill have time to track down a bottle by next week.

weesm 12-20-2012 01:06 AM

Yup, I'm going off of that grist % amounts. My LHBS is pretty good on stocking lots of malts, but I'm not sure about the 40 and the 55. Might have to go with the cara you mentioned and crystal 60.

AnchorBock 12-21-2012 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by weesm (Post 4699961)
Yup, I'm going off of that grist % amounts. My LHBS is pretty good on stocking lots of malts, but I'm not sure about the 40 and the 55. Might have to go with the cara you mentioned and crystal 60.

Here's what I plan to pick up with the maltsters listed:
85% Rahr 2 Row
5% Weyermann Caramunich I
3% Simpson's Medium Crystal (50-60 = 55ish)
3% Briess Caramel 10
2% Weyermann Melanoiden Malt
1% Simpson's Roasted Barley
1% Simpsons English Black Malt
Centennial @ 90 mins to 30 IBU
WLP002 - 2 liter starter

A friend of mine has a bottle of Robert so I'm going to try to get it and degas a sample to confirm FG. Tentatively planning on mashing at 152-153 based on my results with WLP002 on other batches (and taking into account all the dextrins that will be present), that might change if I have time to degas a sample.

AnchorBock 12-26-2012 12:52 PM

Got a bottle of Robert from a friend and degassed it, looks like the FG is about 1.016 so the information above is probably either inaccurate or just outdated. I'm hoping it's the latter as 3F has grown quite a bit since 2004 and it would stand to reason that the recipe would have changed somewhat as their brewhouse grew. I'll now be targeting an OG of 1.065 and FG of 1.016 which (for me at least) means I'll be mashing at about 149F.

Robin0782 12-26-2012 08:11 PM

I brewed the recipe that is supposed to be from the brewer about 6 months ago. With some modifications I had to make since the LHBS didn't have everything. Crystal 60, the Caramunich was Belgian, I used 3 lbs of Munich 10 and no melanoidin. Also used S-04, fermented low about 62. It came out nice, not exact. It was only my 2nd all grain as well, so it prob could have been better. Overall it was solid, probably 80% what the original is.

Robin0782 12-26-2012 11:16 PM

Here is my recipe/notes. Terrible efficiency, so my ABV was a bit low.

Grains
11 lbs American 2-row (68.4)
3 lbs Munich 10L (18.7)
12 oz Cara 45 (4.7%)
8 oz Crystal 10 (3.1%)
8 oz Crystal 60 (3.1%)
2.7 oz Roasted Barley (1%)
2.7 oz Black Patent (1%)

Hops
1.5 oz Centennial (8.1 AA) @ 60

Yeast
S-04

Procedure
Mash temp - 155-156F
Strike Gallons - 5 gallons / 20 qts
Sparge Gallons - 4.25 gallons
Collect - 7.6 gallons
60 minute boil
Post Boil Cooled Volume - 5.9 gallons (too much!)

Readings
OG - 1.064
Efficiency - 61%
FG - 1.017
ABV - 6.2%

AnchorBock 12-28-2012 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnchorBock (Post 4706258)
Here's what I plan to pick up with the maltsters listed:
85% Rahr 2 Row
5% Weyermann Caramunich I
3% Simpson's Medium Crystal (50-60 = 55ish)
3% Briess Caramel 10
2% Weyermann Melanoiden Malt
1% Simpson's Roasted Barley
1% Simpsons English Black Malt
Centennial @ 90 mins to 30 IBU
WLP002 - 2 liter starter

A friend of mine has a bottle of Robert so I'm going to try to get it and degas a sample to confirm FG. Tentatively planning on mashing at 152-153 based on my results with WLP002 on other batches (and taking into account all the dextrins that will be present), that might change if I have time to degas a sample.

Brewed this today, targeted 1.065 OG / 1.016 FG and ended up at 1.067 OG. Mashed at 149 so it should end up around 1.017 (hopefully). Pitched at about 60F planning to ferment around 62F - if it doesn't take off I'll go up a degree, but I think WLP002 will ferment at 62F.

I'll post an update in a couple of weeks.

Robin0782 12-28-2012 02:54 AM

Hope it turns out well for you. I think it will, since my batch was fairly similar with some moderate changes in the recipe.


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