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Old 10-26-2010, 10:04 PM   #21
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pshh, 2 vessel fermentation is SO 2008. 3-4 weeks in the primary is what all the experts (i.e. Jamil Zainasheff, John Palmer, Mike McDole, all the people on here with over 20000 posts) recommend nowadays anyway. Plus, isn't there plenty of winter left after mid-january? If not, you could certainly send any excess beer to me and I will dispose of it properly

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Old 10-26-2010, 10:49 PM   #22
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Well first of all, Nemesis is far from your typical barleywine. Which year of Nemesis did you have, and when? I don't think I've ever heard this year's Nemesis described as smooth, and last year's was apparently very hot fresh but has mellowed out a lot, so I suspect you may have had '09 Nemesis fairly recently. Also, I don't find porters and barleywines all that similar. However, Founders Porter is very hoppy for a porter. So if the only porter you've had is Founders, and the only 'barleywine' you've had was Nemesis, I guess I could see where you might think they're similar. But again, neither are typical for their style.

Also, I think people's definition of "smoothness" in a beer varies greatly. What exactly do you mean by making it smoother? If you mean less hoppy, I'd go with a Fullers Porter clone. If you mean less chewy, lighter bodied, or drier, you could mash at a lower temp (but see psychobrawler's comment on that above) or use less carapils, or both. Personally, I love Founders Porter the way it is, so I made it exactly as per the above recipe. To each his own though, of course.

btw, I see that you're in StL. Are you on stlhops.com?
I have 2010 Nemesis actually. They just got it in, and only had 1 4-pack left. You're right, smoothness is definitely perceived differently depending on the person. I thought the Nemesis had a nice rich porter/wee heavy taste but it wasn't really chewy. It was a little lighter bodied(even though it was dark and somewhat heavy) but seemed more drinkable than a stout or really roasty porter. I'm NOT looking for creamy/milky smooth, like in a milk stout, just a smooth lighter body beer with a big flavor.

I'm more of a Pale Ale/IPA/Brown drinker, so I've just recently been getting into the porter/stout/barleywines. I really like the dark, but drinkable style, and I think thats why I'm leaning more on a barleywine/porter.


I'm not "on" STLhops.com, but I have checked it out before. I saw a guy STLbrew on here, that was informing me of some clubs around here. Whats up with STLhops? I'd love to meet some people in the area, that are in the hobby. I've got a few brew buddies that had never brewed until with me, but it would be nice to share some experiences, methods & ideas with others in the area, who DO brew.

Thanks for the reply! I might just have to try this recipe for now. If anyone has any other suggestions to help me round out/tweak a similar recipe, let me know
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Forgot I even posted this. I made a great clone, thanks to a an awesome response from Founder's when I e-mailed them for help. Here's my recipe for 5 gallons finished beer:

9.5 lbs 2 Row
1.25 lbs Chocolate Malt
1 lb Munich
10 oz Carapils
6 oz Crystal 120 L
4 oz Black Patent

Mashed at 155 for 60 minutes
75 Minute Boil

Hops:
60 min - 0.75 oz Nugget (12.2%)
20 min - 0.75 oz Hallertau (4.5%) and 0.75 Willamette (4.9%)
Flameout - 0.25 oz Hallertau and 0.25 oz Willamette

For yeast, I used WLP001.

I intentionally made a final beer was a bit drier and thinner than Founder's, but the aroma and flavor were dead on. It was one of my best beers. I will definitely make it again, but I think I'll switch the base malt for Marris Otter next time and mash a couple of degrees higher. The also use Crystal hops, not Hallertau, but that was a substitution by necessity that turned out just fine. The hop flavor is not that predominant with all the malt flavors taking over.

Enjoy!
WLP001 in an English porter, never would have thunk that
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WLP001 in an English porter, never would have thunk that
I don't think Founders is considered an English Porter. Definitely American
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I just brewed this since I LOVE LOVE LOVE Founder's Porter. I actually had to make the same sub of Hallertau for Crystal, but I'm not to worried about it. Can't wait to have this in my glass!

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I tasted my clone side-by-side with the real thing and it is damn close. Good luck! What yeast did you use?

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I tasted my clone side-by-side with the real thing and it is damn close. Good luck! What yeast did you use?
Which version of the recipe did you end up using? I've done a couple of slight variations of this now, and all have been fantastic. It's become one of my regulars.
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Which version of the recipe did you end up using? I've done a couple of slight variations of this now, and all have been fantastic. It's become one of my regulars.
Your hopville recipe but with regular [i.e. dark] chocolate malt and Crystal instead of Hallertau hops

so for those keeping track, that's

73% 9lb 8oz American Two-row Pale
10% 1lb 4oz American Chocolate
8% 1lb 0oz Munich Malt
5% 0lb 10oz Cara-Pils/Dextrine
3% 0lb 6oz Crystal 120L
2% 0lb 4oz Black (Patent) Malt

60 mins 0.75 Nugget 12.2%
20 mins 0.75 Crystal 4.3%
20 mins 0.75 Willamette 4.5%
1 min 0.25 Crystal 4.3%
1 min 0.25 Willamette 4.5%

For yeast I used 1 pkt of rehydrated Safale US-05
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That's exactly the recipe I used, but Hallertau instead of Crystal and used S-05 as well. It's fermenting away...will post my thoughts after it's kegged.

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I just kegged mine on Friday. I haven't done a side-by-side yet but I've had the real thing many times and this tastes about spot-on!

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