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Old 08-09-2011, 10:08 PM   #1
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Default Another American Pale Ale...Thoughts needed

I am looking to make my first APA this weekend here is my grain and hop bill (BIAB):

Estimated OG: 1.053 SG
Estimated Color: 8.9 SRM
Estimated IBU: 34.2 IBU

Mash Ingredients
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
7 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 56.0 %
3 lbs Munich Malt - 20L (20.0 SRM) Grain 2 24.0 %
2 lbs Vienna Malt (3.5 SRM) Grain 3 16.0 %
8.0 oz Wheat, Flaked (1.6 SRM) Grain 4 4.0 %

Mash Steps
Name Description Step Temperature Step Time
Saccharification Add 33.04 qt of water at 160.7 F 154.0 F 75 min
Mash Out Heat to 168.0 F over 7 min 168.0 F 10 min

Remove grains, and prepare to boil wort

Boil Wort

Add water to achieve boil volume of 7.34 gal
Estimated pre-boil gravity is 1.044 SG
Boil Ingredients
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
0.25 oz Warrior [15.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 5 12.3 IBUs
1.00 oz Cascade [6.90 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 6 13.7 IBUs
1.00 oz Cascade [6.90 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 7 8.2 IBUs

Steeped Hops
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
2.00 oz Cascade [6.90 %] - Aroma Steep 0.0 min Hop 8 0.0 IBUs

Estimated Post Boil Vol: 6.34 gal and Est Post Boil Gravity: 1.053 SG
Cool and Prepare Fermentation

Cool wort to fermentation temperature
Transfer wort to fermenter
Add water to achieve final volume of 5.50 gal
Fermentation Ingredients
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
1.0 pkg California Ale V (White Labs #WLP051) [35.49 ml] Yeast 9 -


I would love some suggestions on any part of the recipe. I have found that I am not a huge fan of crystal in my pale ales. The only thing I'm committed to is the yeast, wlp 0051 as I have made a 1 liter starter.

Again feel free to tear into it and give me your feedback. How is the hopping schedule? I would like to keep the ibu's within the style guidelines. I have a tendency to over hop...If thats possible!!!

Thanks!!!
Cheers!!!

I have 4 oz's of citra, cascade, centennial, and warrior.
One oz. of simcoe and one oz. of amarillo.

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Old 08-10-2011, 12:18 AM   #2
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Looks good but I would not 'Steep' that last 2oz of cascade. Instead keep those for dry hopping in secondary. I am not a huge fan of crystal either.

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Looks good but I would not 'Steep' that last 2oz of cascade. Instead keep those for dry hopping in secondary. I am not a huge fan of crystal either.
Oh, I'd do both! The flame out hops are really good, and without any other hops at the end of the boil, I think they are needed.
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Vienna and Munich contain lots of Melanoidin. 5 lbs total is A LOT for a pale ale. It will be more like a Marzen. Probably will be good that way but maltier than a pale. I always use .5 to 1 pound of Munich or Vienna in my Pales but that's it. Usually Pales have a bit of crystal as well (around a pound for a 5 gallon batch. You could also add a bit of bisquit or victory to add complexity.

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My go to is 2 lbs vienna, half lb of c60...vienna lends a nice note, but not sure how far both vienna and munich would take it

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My go to is 2 lbs vienna, half lb of c60...vienna lends a nice note, but not sure how far both vienna and munich would take it
I think it'll be nice as it'll have a strong maltbackbone, but without crystal. I would say that Munich AND crystal malt would be over the top, but I like this recipe!
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Yeah I would dry hop an ounce or 2 of something floral. you could stay the cascade route or maybe amarillo?

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I'm no expert on recipe formulation, but if this is a recipe you want to tweak and remake I would recommend trying US-05 or notty. IME PA's don't require much flavor from the yeast, so you could save some money just by going with those. Or just wash and reuse your current yeast if you prefer that I guess.

If it were me brewing it I would push the late hop additions to 15 and 5, but thats just me. And I would definitely dry hop it. I love having a strong hop nose on my pale ales and IPAs, because that is something I feel that all commercial examples lack.

Just my $.02 though

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Awesome, thanks for the great feedback. I definitely wanted a "maltier" pale ale.

@wakadak I have already purchased the 0051 and made a starter so I am def going that route this time around. You think moving my 20 and 10 min additions would be better served at 15 and 5?

I totally will be dryhopping this one. Should I stick to the cascade or throw something else in there? I also have tons of cascades pellet and whole leaf, as well as the others I listed in my post above.

Again thanks for the suggestions guys and gals!!!

I will update with my results and final recipe....

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Just cascade for dryhopping is fine. But so is mixing it up! You could do just about anything- cascade/chinook, amarillo/simcoe, cascade/simcoe, centennial/cascade, well you get the idea!

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