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Old 09-03-2007, 06:12 PM   #11
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The Champion beer of Britain in 2005 and 2006 was a brew called Crouch Vale's Brewer's Gold. It's a golden ale that uses a mix of lager and pale malt, and tons of brewer's gold. It's also dryhopped with BG.

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Old 09-03-2007, 07:03 PM   #12
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Devil's advocate - I say skip the Crystal and keep the Carapils+Vienna. The recipe you have is just complex enough to add some character, but the finish should be fairly crisp - perhaps slightly dry. Sounds like a winner with a Cascade-heavy brew.

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Old 09-03-2007, 08:22 PM   #13
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Yea, gonna skip the crystal. I think the beer will still be good, but i really want to learn what flavor I get from vienna. I've used enough crystal in my beers to know what to expect from it.

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Old 09-03-2007, 11:52 PM   #14
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FYI the original recipe will not even achieve the minimum SRM for the style. 3.5 vs. 5. Most APA's are at least 10-15 SRM.

I'm sure it will taste fine for a vienna experiment but will not be a true APA by style. I just opened a Schlafly Dry Hopped APA (www.schlafly.com) and it had a nice orange-golden color that had to contain Crystal. Schlafly makes the best brew in St. Louis area (brew city) awesome brew...... OK so I've had a few tonight too...........

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Old 09-04-2007, 12:15 AM   #15
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Hmm, good call, I want to hit the style for sure, maybe upping the vienna would hit 10. I'll screw around in promash and see.

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Vienna only has a color of about 4L. Not much. I believe it is still a type of Crystal that does not undergo much caramalization...same with carapils. Both are non-fermantables and will require more than 20% to achieve much color...not highly recommended and will reduce the ABV and FG.

Look up any APA recipe and I am sure you will find 90% will have crystal.....

How about EdWart's famous recipe... I bet it has it....

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Old 09-04-2007, 01:36 AM   #17
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I just looked it up... Bee Cave Brew House Pale Ale

.5 Lb Crystal 10
2lb veinna

Mash at 152°

Check out the pic....beautiful color. right on EdWort.

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I just looked it up... Bee Cave Brew House Pale Ale

.5 Lb Crystal 10
2lb veinna

Mash at 152°

Check out the pic....beautiful color. right on EdWort.
I feel you on the crystal man, and I agree, it's probably close to standard for the style, but I reallllly just want to learn from this brew, I'm sure the next time I'll make it I'll put crystal in.

According to promash, SRM minimum is 5 for the style. So, I upped the carapils to .75 and the vienna to 2.5. I'll be brewing this tommorow if everything goes well. Final recipe is:

SG 1.061
IBU 40.5
SRM 5

8lb Pale Malt
2.5lb Vienna
.75lb Carapils

Brewer's Gold 1oz 60
cascade .5oz 25
Cascade .25 10
Cascade.25 5

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You could get a higher srm using a different kind of pale malt, too. Maris Otter, for instance, gets you above 5 SRM by itself, unless you use the "light" version of it. The regular gives you about 10 SRM with no crystal addition. Just a thought.

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Awesome thought for sure, except I have a 10lb bag of pale malt sitting next to me

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