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Old 12-23-2008, 03:24 PM   #1
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Default Allagash White Clone "secret spice"

So I am going to be brewing an Allagash White clone today from the following recipe:

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6.6 lbs. 40% wheat/ 60% barley liquid malt extract or:
3.3 lbs. light/pilsner malt extract and 3.3 lbs 100% wheat malt extract (75 minutes)

3/4 oz. Tettnanger (60 minutes)

3/4 oz. Saaz (60 minutes)

1/4 oz. Saaz (flameout)

1/4 oz crushed coriander (flameout)

1/4 oz bitter orange peel (flameout)

1 pinch "secret spice" (flameout)
"secret spice" (anise, cinnamon, vanilla, pepper, or ginger) your choice

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WhiteLabs WLP400 or WLP410.....or Wyeast 3944 or 3463....ferment at 70 degrees


It says "secret spice" at the end there and I am not sure what I should go with. I'm not familiar with anise and I don't think I want to do pepper or cinnamon. I was thinking of vanilla but I have only seen vanilla in liquid form so what is a pinch of that? I am also just thinking of skipping the spice all together just to get a solid belgian white ale. What do you guys think?

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Old 12-23-2008, 03:53 PM   #2
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It's been quite a while since I had that beer...I think you could just skip the secret spice too. On a related note, I used some chamomile tea in my last wit per JZs suggestion in his style profile in BYO and it added a nice apple/fruity element to the flavor.

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On the same note, JZ recommends 1 oz of fresh orange zest for the citrus character. I have used this a couple of times in my wits and it gives a nicer aroma and more orangey taste.

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On the same note, JZ recommends 1 oz of fresh orange zest for the citrus character. I have used this a couple of times in my wits and it gives a nicer aroma and more orangey taste.
indeed...I went with a suggestion from a fellow brewer to use a variety of citrus zest and it's mighty tasty.
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In my Wit (recipe in my dropdown) I use:

1oz coarsely crushed Indian coriander, last 5 min
12oz Seville Orange Marmalade, last 5 min
zest of 3 grapefruits @flameout
2g Chamomile @flameout
1T flour, @flameout (creates a permanent haze)

I have heard some folks like to use a little pinch of black pepper and/or cumin. Personally, I think those belong in a Saison, not a Wit, if I wanted my Wit to taste like a Saison I would just do a Saison.

I have had best results with WLP400 pitching at 68*F and fermenting at 72*F.

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Cool thanks guys. I think this time around I might just skipthe secret spice and brew it as posted. But I am hoping this is going to be a beer I want to make again and again so next time around I might use some fresh zest to give it a nice fruity taste. Thanks for the input.

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Anise: Think liquorice. Not for everyone.

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Anise: Think liquorice. Not for everyone.
Blech. For a saison, yes, for a Wit, I don't think so. Wit should taste very strongly of citrus, and any spice should come from the yeast strain. That's why you want to ferment fairly warm.
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well I brewed it today and the color is off. I need to change up my extracts. But oh well hopefully it is still tasty. I am definitely gona have to take another crack at this one.

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Wits will always be too dark with extract. Unless you are using 50% raw wheat and doing all grain, you will have an SRM 6-7 Witbier.

It'll still be tasty though.

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