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skeezerpleezer 05-14-2011 01:30 PM

If anyone has had this beer, they know why I am asking for input. It has moved up to the top of the APA rankings on beeradvocate for good reason. http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/26/64228

Does anyone have any information other than it is a Single Hop (Citra), 6.2%, 50 ibu APA?


***It seems we are getting somewhere on this clone. After a couple revisions, here is the updated Recipe--(I removed the original to avoid any confusion):

Batch Size: 6 gallons
Estimated Original Gravity: 1.065
Estimated Final Gravity: 1.018
Estimated Color: 8.5 SRM
Bitterness: 65.9 IBU
Mash Temp: 154 F
60 min boil

Ingredients Amount Item Type % or IBU
11.75 lb 2 Row (2.0 SRM) Grain 81.7 %
1.13 lb Munich Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM) Grain 7.8 %
0.50 lb Carafoam (2.0 SRM) Grain 3.5 %
0.50 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 3.5 %
0.50 lb Melanoiden Malt (20.0 SRM) Grain 3.5 %
0.75 oz Citra [12.40%] (First Wort Hop) Hops 17.0 IBU***
1.25 oz Citra [12.40%] (15 min) Hops 21.1 IBU
1.25 oz Citra [12.40%] (10 min) Hops 15.4 IBU
1.25 oz Citra [12.40%] (5 min) Hops 8.5 IBU
1.25 oz Citra [12.40%] (1 min) Hops 1.8 IBU
3.00 oz Citra [12.40%] (Dry Hop 5-7 days) Hops - (used to say 10, i use 5-7 now)
SafAle English Ale (S-04) **
London ESB 1968**

**For the first batch with this recipe, I split it and used the 2 different yeasts (S-04 and S-05). The S-04 was closer to the real Zombie Dust. The S-04 is fruitier, and had a bit higher FG (1.018 ) that the S-05 (dryer, more bitterness). I have also used 1968 and it was similar to the S-04, perhaps a bit fruitier and it was sweeter/higher FG. If using it I would recommend mashing a few degrees cooler. That said, I would recommend S-04 or 1968 at this time.

Here is the extract conversion for anyone interested:

6.00 lb Extra Light Dry Extract (3.0 SRM) Dry Extract 70.6 %
1.00 lb Munich Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM) Grain 11.8 %
0.50 lb Carafoam (2.0 SRM) Grain 5.9 %
0.50 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 5.9 %
0.50 lb Melanoiden Malt (20.0 SRM) Grain 5.9 %
0.75 oz Citra [12.40%] (First Wort Hop) Hops 12.5 IBU***
1.00 oz Citra [12.40%] (60 min) Hops 25.1 IBU
1.00 oz Citra [12.40%] (15 min) Hops 12.4 IBU
1.00 oz Citra [12.40%] (10 min) Hops 9.1 IBU
1.00 oz Citra [12.40%] (5 min) Hops 5.0 IBU
1.00 oz Citra [12.40%] (1 min) Hops 1.1 IBU
3.00 oz Citra [12.40%] (Dry Hop 5-7 days) Hops - (used to say 10, i use 5-7 now)
SafAle English Ale (DCL Yeast #S-04)
or
Wyeast 1968
Ferm temp-62-64

Beer Profile Estimated Original Gravity: 1.066 SG
Estimated Final Gravity: 1.018 SG
Estimated Color: 9.0 SRM
Bitterness: 65.2 IBU

Steep the grains at in the mid 150s for 45-60 minutes. It is assuming a 5 gallon batch, 3 gallon - 60 minute boil, and adding the extract at the beginning. If you can do a full boil you probably wouldn't need the extra oz at 60minutes.

***The FWH ibus were calculated based on a 20 min boil to more accurately calculate the perceived bitterness (you can set boil time on FWH on Beersmith)....If you do not make this change, your IBUs will probably show as being higher. The actual beer bitterness/flavor will not.

skeezerpleezer 05-14-2011 06:05 PM

30 minutes till mash in. Any suggestions?

NorthSide 05-14-2011 06:29 PM

i love this beer, and can't wait till they bottle it. as far as your recipe goes, it looks good to me. citra is definitely what i taste and smell, you may need more in the flavor additions, but your guess is as good as mine. and your idea about wheat sounds good too. brew it up!

skibb 05-14-2011 06:35 PM

The haziness can just be from the tons of hops used in the beer, it doesn't necessarily mean they used wheat, and from what I recall when I drank it, it had terrible head retention...but that coulda just been from dirty lines.

NorthSide 05-14-2011 06:48 PM

also, a lot of the three floyds beers i've seen clone recipes of use a small amount of malanoidin malt...

skeezerpleezer 05-14-2011 06:53 PM

Ok, so I stopped in the bar and had a couple pints of Zombie Dust before the brew session. It looks like around 7.5-8 SRM, so I added subbed some Munich for 2-row to hit 7.5. Also, a friend decided to join, so this is going to be an 11g batch. Unfortunately, I only brought 9oz of Citra with me to the brew site, or I'd take Northside's advice and add some more flavor additions. Don't have time to run home to grab more Citra (~1hr driving there and back), so I'll see how this goes. Would it be beneficial to move some of the 1 minute addition to the 15 minute flavor addition, then make up for it with dryhops? I have another lb or so Citra at home so that is no problem.

NorthSide 05-14-2011 07:07 PM

that's what i did last time i decided to up my flavor hops at the last minute, i just threw the hops i intended to use for aroma in and got some at a later date for dry hopping when the beer is in secondary. maybe you could try 15, 10, 5, and 1 min additions with the most going in between 15 and 10.

skeezerpleezer 05-14-2011 08:02 PM

How does this look for the hops:

2.50 oz Citra [12.40%] (15 min) Hops 23.2 IBU
1.50 oz Citra [12.40%] (20 min) (First Wort Hop) Hops 18.7 IBU
2.50 oz Citra [12.40%] (10 min) Hops 17.0 IBU
1.25 oz Citra [12.40%] (5 min) Hops 4.7 IBU
1.25 oz Citra [12.40%] (1 min) Hops 1.0 IBU
6.00 oz Citra [12.40%] (Dry Hop 10 days) Hops -

It is now a double batch. IBUs calculated to 64 IBU, which is a little higher than what FFF says, but still about a 1:1 ratio.

NorthSide 05-14-2011 08:36 PM

that looks great!

dbals 05-16-2011 03:50 AM

Keep us posted!


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