thanks, Mark. I guess I may need to take the plunge. I guess I'll have to evaluate the higher cost of water here in the SW US, and the slower time to chill versus the cost of the plate chiller. As it is, we need to make another IC because we've gone from 5 gal to 10 brews and the 25', 3/8 copper took our first 10 gal batch over 45 gallons of water and about 25 minutes to cool. Lots of time. Appreciate the info and opinion.