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Old 12-22-2008, 06:34 PM   #1
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So I brewed a few batches yesterday and during the clean up phase I decided to give the UBC a shot. Well it didn't work out as planed. After the complete cleaning cycle of the system. I found this problem. The UBC pitted all my copper and (I don't know if you can see in the picture) it discolored my stainless paddle and also discolored my grant and a few other pieces of the system. I am not sure if the chiller is a total loss yet. I am going to do a complete PBW (the stuff I normally use) wash of the system today or tomorrow and see if I can salvage this stuff. I don’t think the stainless is toast, but I may have to replace all the copper.
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Anyone have this problem before?
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Old 12-22-2008, 06:36 PM   #2
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Old 12-22-2008, 06:37 PM   #3
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Holy Cow! Did you use it at the recommended dosage? That is wicked....

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Old 12-22-2008, 06:40 PM   #4
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Holy Cow! Did you use it at the recommended dosage? That is wicked....

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yep. 1 TBLS per gallon of wash water
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Oh that sucks!!!

I'd try an acid first. Put your chiller in your boil pot and just cover the coils. Add about a cup of white vinegar and warm it up to about 150*. Let it soak a bit, check it often. If the water turns green at all, remove it right away.

Rinse with plenty of fresh water.

I had similar pits/deposits in a keg I let soak with generic Oxyclean. An acid wash took it back off.

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That sucks Jay. I've soaked my immersion chiller in hot PBW overnight before without any problems. I cannot see what it did to the SS mash paddle in the pic though.

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That sucks Jay. I've soaked my immersion chiller in hot PBW overnight before without any problems. I cannot see what it did to the SS mash paddle in the pic though.
PBW is what I normally use. (is PBW and UBC) the same stuff?
ED, It turned the stainless blue
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PBW is what I normally use. (is PBW and UBC) the same stuff?
Not to my knowledge. Here's what 5 Star has to say about PBW

BENEFITS

  • Replaces Caustic Soda cleaners
  • Effective at All Temperatures
  • Free Rinsing
  • Safe on Polycarbonate surfaces
  • Safe to handle
  • Generates 4 - 5% Oxygen
  • Non-hazardous & Non-corrosive
  • Excellent hard water tolerance
  • Removes protein soil and staining, baked on carbon, and fatty acids
DESCRIPTION
P.B.W. is a buffered alkaline detergent that has been proven to be more than an
effective substitute for caustic soda cleaners. Because of its unique formulation of
buffers and mild alkalis, it is safe on skin as well as soft metals such as stainless steel,
aluminum, and on plastics. P.B.W. uses active oxygen to penetrate carbon or protein
soils and is not effected by hard water. The oxygen also helps in reducing B.O.D. and
C.O.D. in wastewater, which is an added environmental benefit.

P.B.W. has been formulated as a C.I.P. cleaner and is very effective in removing protein
soils found on brew kettles, fermenters, conditioning tanks, filters and all packaging
areas. The concentrations to remove these soils are typically in the 1% range.
However, due to soil and water conditions this concentration will vary. To help in hard
water areas P.B.W. has been formulated with enough chelators to tolerate hard water
over 17 grains.

P.B.W. is an excellent choice as a soak cleaner because it does not require
excessive heat as do most caustic based cleaners. This product has cleaned
brass and copper filters, and industrial aluminum surfaces successfully.
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I think I will contact Forrest and find out if his UBC is PBW just in another package. I use PBW all the time on stuff (Copper included) and haven't ever seen anything like this. Like I said it turned my stainless paddle blue. Whats up with that?
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