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Old 05-24-2009, 01:59 AM   #11
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I never rinse PBW with anything but Star San... been doing that for a while...


Is this not enough when using Oxyclean? My point is... is Oxyclean more labor/water intensive?

I have a fermentor that I CANNOT scrub inside, so I use PBW... will Oxyclean do the job?
Oxyclean will do the job - I have never had to scrub the inside of my better bottles - just soak over night.

Star San would probably be enough, but I rinse it out right away just because it takes less than 1/2 gallon of water and gets it done quickly.
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Old 05-24-2009, 02:05 AM   #12
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i love using the walmart brand oxyclean. its like 2 bucks cheaper than the big tub of oxyclean and you get 1.5 - 1.75 times as much. a couple of quick 2-3 gallon rinses and your good, in my experience anyway. oh, i havent had to scrub anything so far, just soak and rinse and everything comes off. b-e-autiful.

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Old 05-24-2009, 02:07 AM   #13
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That settles it... I will be getting Oxy, or a comparable generic (SUN) and trying that instead of blowing another $40 on PBW.

Thanks fellas.

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Old 05-24-2009, 02:43 AM   #14
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Isn't rinsing with star san a bit spendy? Or do you just rinse once? Also, if I remember my chemistry correctly(and I may not, its been 25 yrs) caustic solutions are normaly basic and starsan is acidic. So by rinsing a base with an acid you neutralize or raise the ph making starsan ineffective as a sanitizer.

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Old 05-24-2009, 03:57 AM   #15
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Is Oxyclean better than PBW?
I have had better luck with PBW than Oxyclean for dried krausen. Your mileage may vary.
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Old 05-24-2009, 04:46 AM   #16
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Is Oxyclean better than PBW?.
I think PBW is more effective, but Oxiclean is good enough at a lower price.
PBW is 30% sodium metasilicate.
Oxiclean is sodium percarbonate and sodium carbonate.
UBC is sodium silicate, sodium percarbonate, and sodium carbonate.

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I read that Oxyclean needs to be mixed 2-4oz per gallon of water for soaking... PBW is 1-1.5oz. .
I don't know what the *correct* ratio is, but I have had good results using 1 Tbsp per gallon.

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Also... why do you have to rinse Oxyclean? Even Oxyclean Free?? I take it this is NOT like PBW?.
It's like soap and should be rinsed off.
Also, if you have hard water, dried oxiclean can leave a white residue that must be dissolved with something acidic (vinegar or StarSan).
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Old 05-24-2009, 04:54 AM   #17
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What's so hard about rinsing oxyclean out of a carboy? geesh you guys are lazy.

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Old 05-24-2009, 11:37 AM   #18
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Isn't rinsing with star san a bit spendy? Or do you just rinse once? Also, if I remember my chemistry correctly(and I may not, its been 25 yrs) caustic solutions are normaly basic and starsan is acidic. So by rinsing a base with an acid you neutralize or raise the ph making starsan ineffective as a sanitizer.
Spendy? No, I always ue Star San to rinse my fermentor so that it is sanitized.

Ineffective? Well, I have never had an infection, so... if so, I am EXTREMELY lucky.
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I have had better luck with PBW than Oxyclean for dried krausen. Your mileage may vary.
At what concentration of Oxy?

By better... do you mean if I soak my junk for a couple days, the krausen ring will not be removed?

This may require actual testing... some of the responses are too cryptic.

If it doesnt work on my fermentor, I will use it for laundry... and spring for the PBW again. I just hate almost $5/pound and 1-1.5 ounces PER gallon.
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Oxyclean and its generic versions are oxygen-based where PBW is a caustic, so they are different cleaners in that regard. I use Oxyclean and PBW in my brewery, although Oxyclean gets used much more frequently because it is so much more economical. One TBSP per gallon works just fine for me. The trick is HOT water and even the most stubborn krausen ring is gone after an overnight soak - no scrubbing necessary.

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