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Old 12-07-2012, 02:52 AM   #1
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Ok I think i want to upgrade my brewing process of cooling the wort down and filtering it. Im doing all extract brewing right now until i get enough experience to move up to all grain.

I want to add a filter to my system and i would like to use a plate chiller instead of a copper worm.

I have 2 questions im brewing 5 gallon batches right now. how big of a plate chiller should i use to cool it down to correct temp with tap water out of the faucet. Also what kind of pump should i get for it.

question for filtering. Should I filter before i put it before the plate chiller or after before it goes into the fermentation bucket. Will the filter get clogged before all the wort passes threw or will the pump force it threw. I will have all the hops left over from the boil from the pellets and other steeping grains leftover that escaped the tea bag.

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If you just want to keep the hop matter out of the plate chiller, get/use a hop spider. You have several options there from making your own, to buying the one of two from Stainless Brewing. If you have grain getting into the boil, you need to use better mesh bags there. I actually run my mash wort through a nylon grain bag (the fine mesh) to capture anything that could come out of the mash tun. Nothing gets through it.

For the plate chiller, you need to decide how fast you want to chill and how much you want to spend. Check out what Duda Diesel sells.You can get it almost 100% ready right from the start. Either go with hose barb connections, or with the NPT to use QD's on it. Done, and easy.

For a pump, I like March pumps (809 or 815). Others like chugger. Get either one and you should be ok. Look up the threads about how to set one up to prevent air bubbles from getting it to squeal during the boil. Basically, you install a ball valve on the pump outlet side and partially close/open it during the boil to keep more wort (and less air) in the pump head. Once the boil is done, open it up full bore.

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well its just the dust that comes off the steeping grains and small debris nothing crazy most of it is just hop matter. maybe like a 1/4 -1/2 cup of crap depending on how much hops when its all said and done when i brew now.

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well its just the dust that comes off the steeping grains and small debris nothing crazy most of it is just hop matter. maybe like a 1/4 -1/2 cup of crap depending on how much hops when its all said and done when i brew now.
I use the spider I made to contain all the pellet hop matter. I've put at least 7-1/2 ounces of hops in it so far (might have done more, would need to check recipes). With that, I get virtually no hop matter going through the plate chiller. So, no other filtering is needed, or wanted. IMO, a hop spider will do a fine job. Either of the two I linked to earlier will work. If you go with the cheap one, just get a bag that will go deep enough into your kettle. You want to keep it a few inches off the bottom so it won't get F'd up there.
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gotcha i dont have a false bottom or anything in my kettle its just a turkey fryer i use to do the boil its about 7 gallons. i would have to put a suction hose into the fryer to suck the wort out to filter or chill it. unless i drill a whole and tap it for fittings

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so you use the spyder to contain the hops while you boil correct??

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IMO you won't be able to get a siphon going well enough to support feeding a plate chiller. You'll need to install a ball valve into the pot and make it a kettle. It's NOT difficult, especially if that's an aluminum pot. Even if it's stainless steel, there's several tutorials posted about doing it with ease. Just install the weldless ball valve and dip tube assembly (from outside in, ball valve, washer, 1/2 NPT to 1/2" compression fitting, o-ring or gasket, dip tube). You don't need a false bottom at all. I don't have one in my boil keggle. If you're going to drop a couple C notes on the pump, and chiller, spend the extra $40-$50 and get the proper fitting to feed it all. Bargain Fittings has the hardware you'll need to do this.

BTW, I don't use couplers in my keggles. IMO, they're completely not needed. You can do it with the few items I listed above without issue. If you want, you can add a bulkhead, but that's also not needed. I did on my current boil keggle so that I could better install TC fittings on the outside for things to connect with. 100% my choice, not a required item.

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so you use the spyder to contain the hops while you boil correct??
Yes, like this...


Another shot (not in the boil):


Basic parts used:





I've shortened the legs (went with 3" legs, that's a 6" OD stainless cake form) and added a pair of nuts to keep it in position... I'll try to remember to take a picture of it in use next brew day.

BTW, all the metal parts of my spider are stainless steel...
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sounds good and yes the pot is aluminum for now until i get funds to replace it with a keggle or a bigger SS pot.

Also i was looking at pumps on diesel's site and his plate chiller chart. I dont think he has the correct pump's on his site for the plate chiller to correctly cool the wort. If i read it correctly you want someting around 1gallon per minute or less to flow slowly enough threw the chiller to cool it fast.

also should i get quick disconnects for the system. I already have a kegging system with all the barb fittings and such. Or should i go with smaller quick disconnects. Im also looking for good storage as well since i live in a town house I like to disassemble it with ease and store it on the shelfs with the rest of the beer stuffs. Should i look for beverage quick disconnect fittings

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Get the March 815 (larger impeller than the 809 [which it's replaced], otherwise identical) or a chugger pump. I don't know what's on the DD site, since I only got my plate chiller from there. I got the B3-23A 40 Plate Beer Wort Garden Hose Chiller [HX2340BWGH] with the NPT connections so that I could use the QD's I have. Other suppliers have the 815 in stock, if you don't mind spending a little more and not waiting. You can reach out to Rebel to see when they'll have them in stock, or hunt at your favorite online HBS, or see if your LHBS can get you one.

As for how to set up the chiller, that's really up to YOU. I like having QD's on mine so that it's easy to break down after brewing. Some like barbs on theirs. It's really personal choice. But, you can always use barbs on NPT fittings (just install the NPT to barb fitting) but you can't go the other way. IMO, better to have the NPT so you're at least more flexible for the options.

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